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Coffin in Living Room Led to Florida Incest Arrest
Reuters ^

Posted on 02/28/2002 7:36:19 AM PST by Dallas

MOORE HAVEN, Fla. (Reuters) - Acting on a tip that a Florida family was keeping a child's casket in their living room, police discovered a 53-year-old man living on an isolated farm with his sister as a couple and their 13 children and grandchildren, authorities said on Wednesday.

Police believe the couple may have exhumed the body of their infant son from a grave in nearby Okeechobee County 12 years ago and kept the remains in a pine box, Glades County Sheriff's chief deputy Kenneth Holley said.

No charges were filed against the pair for digging up the remains because the statute of limitations had run out but police filed a single charge of incest against the man. He was being held Wednesday at the Glades County Jail on $150,000 bond.

Holley said the sister had not yet been charged in the ongoing investigation into one of the most bizarre incidents in memory in rural Glades County, a citrus-growing area bordering Florida's Lake Okeechobee.

"Some of our norms are defined by law. Some people don't agree with the norms and they live outside the law," Holley said. "Our main concern was for the welfare of the children."

Investigators believe the 13 children were delivered and schooled at home. They described the house as orderly and the children as disciplined.

"You have to wonder. Didn't they know this wouldn't work out?" Holley said.


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1 posted on 02/28/2002 7:36:19 AM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas
Were the grandchildren from incestuous relationships too?
2 posted on 02/28/2002 7:42:54 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
I was wondering about that also...
3 posted on 02/28/2002 7:45:09 AM PST by Dallas
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To: lady lawyer

Were the grandchildren from incestuous relationships too?

Ewwwwhhhhh! In a subconsciously-imposed and self-protecting blindness, my mind slipped right by that possibility.


4 posted on 02/28/2002 7:48:33 AM PST by AnnaZ
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Were the grandchildren from incestuous relationships too?

Well, I didn't see any sons and daughter in laws mentioned.

5 posted on 02/28/2002 7:51:34 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Dallas
The only question I have is how did they get the tip?
6 posted on 02/28/2002 7:54:41 AM PST by TexRef
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To: Dallas
but police filed a single charge of incest against the man. He was being held Wednesday at the Glades County Jail on $150,000 bond. Holley said the sister had not yet been charged in the ongoing investigation into one of the most bizarre incidents in memory in rural Glades County...

Why wasn't the sister charged? Was the incest charge against the man so obvious that it didn't apply to the woman?!? What kind of illogic is at work here?
7 posted on 02/28/2002 7:55:12 AM PST by Bush2000
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Mercifully mine had as well, until I read it.

So much for lunch.

8 posted on 02/28/2002 7:59:32 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: Dallas
Now THIS explanation I've got to hear.
9 posted on 02/28/2002 8:00:33 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Bush2000
That's what I was wondering too? Where are her handcuffs? Yuk.
10 posted on 02/28/2002 8:00:50 AM PST by Jaded
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To: Bush2000
If only the guy was charged so far, it could be that he's alot older than his sister and she was a minor when they started having children, or else he's the father of at least one of his own grandchildren. YECCCHHH!
11 posted on 02/28/2002 8:03:03 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: lady lawyer
Were the grandchildren from incestuous relationships too?

I notice all reports lump the children and grandchildren together as "13".
Like they don't want any details known.

13 posted on 02/28/2002 8:06:55 AM PST by Publius6961
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You know, we've gone 13 posts or so, and nobody thinks it's strange that they dug up one of the young 'uns and keep him in the living room? I wonder where they keep the coffin and if they're using it as a coffee table or something. With this family, nothing would surprise me.
14 posted on 02/28/2002 8:12:18 AM PST by wimpycat
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15 posted on 02/28/2002 8:18:05 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: TexRef
"The only question I have is how did they get the tip?"

That's the FIRST question I have. The SECOND question I have is - what's in it for the TIPSTER? Somehow I don't see altruism as the motivating factor here...

In addition, we have "children AND grandchildren." One assumes that the grandchildren are 2nd generation to the issue of the original parents. So that means that AT LEAST TWO of the CHILDREN have borne at least one offspring. Counting gestation, that would put the two eldest kids (once again, an assumption) at about 13-14 at the LEAST today, based upon average menarche in this country of 11.5 years of age.

<kingfish mode=on>

"Wull, Ah'd say dis heah bin goan AWN a whahl..."

<kingfish mode=off>

Michael

16 posted on 02/28/2002 8:18:19 AM PST by Wright is right!
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To: Publius6961
Well, this kind of thing is how you establish an improvement in a breed of animals. Back breed for a few generations. The problem is that you have to start with superior stock and you have to cull the worst third. I doubt that these folks did either one.
17 posted on 02/28/2002 8:18:33 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: Dallas

Siblings Raise Family As Husband, Wife

Couple Allegedly Keeps Child's Casket At Foot Of Bed

GLADES COUNTY, Fla. -- Officials said a tip led police to a family secret deep in an orange grove where an alleged brother and sister raised a family and kept the body of one of their children at the foot of their bed.

Samuel Patrick (pictured, left) appeared in Glades County court Wednesday, charged with incest. His wife, Debbie (pictured, below), who police said is also his sister, watched with no emotion, along with two of the couple's nine children.

The arrest started with a tip that something was awry at the Okeechobee cemetery where the Patricks' youngest son was buried 12 years ago.

Cemetery workers said that when deputies dug up the grave of Joshua Patrick (pictured, below), they found no casket, just an empty Styrofoam cooler. Deputies found the casket, containing the 8-month-old's body, inside the family's home deep in a rural orange grove.

A source close to the family said that for 12 years the couple kept the casket inside a trunk, and often snickered when guests unknowingly sat on the trunk.

Police also discovered four grandchildren at the house.

A source said the couple's daughters began getting mysteriously pregnant when they reached adolescence. The parents blamed it on boys sneaking in the windows.

"They need to hang him. I mean, just stake him out. Tie his legs and his heels," neighbor Shirley Montgomery said.

Neighbors said the children, who were all home-schooled, were not allowed to talk or play with anyone outside the family.

Some neighbors said it was common knowledge that the Patricks were brother and sister.

"Because they are so isolated, they don't come in contact with the public. It's not an area with much going on, (so) it didn't come to the public's attention that easily," Glades County police chief Kenneth Holley said.


18 posted on 02/28/2002 8:18:35 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Precisely.
19 posted on 02/28/2002 8:19:03 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Dallas
Also posted HERE yesterday.
20 posted on 02/28/2002 8:20:07 AM PST by chance33_98
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