[jlogajan]

Yeah, ha ha, an anonymous someone. Did he see Elvis too?

[Cicero]

Will the truth finally break out? I doubt it, but I sure wish it would.

The case of TWA 800 and the case of the recent plane crash in Flushing are entirely different. There is overwhelming evidence that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile. The evidence in last fall's disaster is unclear so far, and the witness testimony is conflicting and uncertain, to my mind at least.

Once the government covers something up, for whatever reason, it usually stays covered up, even under a new administration. But we can always hope. Clinton is such a scum. He has hundreds of crimes to answer for.

[TwoStep]

**Bump**

[Tennessee_Bob]

and that the FBI had checked all their torpedo tubes and all their missile silos to make sure they had all the missiles on board that they had when they left port.

Hmmm....how many aircraft have been shot down with torpedoes? For that matter, how many have been shot down with Tomahawks and Harpoons?

I'd like to hear what the submariners here think of the Navy fellow's terminology, and whether that's what they call being outside on the hull or on the sail.

[DoughtyOne]

Paging _Jim. You can appologize to a large portion of the forum now.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank God for Reed Irvine! Ya gotta love it!

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

When Pierre Salinger, at a press conference in March 1997, declared that TWA Flight 800 had been shot down accidentally by a U.S. Navy missile, this former presidential press secretary, U.S. Senator and ABC News correspondent, was mercilessly attacked by his former colleagues.

Senator?????

[John H K]

Submarines spend almost no time on the surface (they are actually faster completely submerged, for one thing) except when entering or exiting a shallow port.

There would be no reason for there to be THREE surfaced submarines in an "exercise" for example.

This all stinks on ice. WND give DEBKA a run for its money most days for pure unadulterated crap.

[wheezer]

Myself, I've always believed what Senator A; D'Amato said the night of the crash, and that was that it was brought down by a missile....Big Al never did know when to shut up.

But who's missile?... well at first I agreed with those who suspected a navy misfire...but post 9-11, and considering the WH occupant at the time, I'm open to the terrorist got lucky position.

[John Jorsett]

Submarines don't carry surface-to-air missiles that I've ever heard of, nor do their targeting and fire-control systems even contemplate such a thing. They depend on submerging for their defense, not slugging it out on the surface. So, unless it was a surface ship that launched the missile, or the secret manuvers were to test some sort of new sub-based SAM (which would be a pretty big mod to a sub, and of questionable value IMO), this story doesn't make sense.

It's also pretty rare to step on the deck of a sub when it's out at sea. Unless you're doing something like launching/recovering a boat or the like. It would be useful to know what he was supposedly doing. Or did he mean he was up on the sail and the story just got the terminology wrong? Something else to contemplate.

[Red Jones]

reed irvine bump

[sharktrager]

I am wondering about the logic of the source trying to remain a secret. I would imagine the Navy could pretty easily narrow it down with the information in this article. How many recently retired petty officers who served on submarines which were surfaced at the time of the crash and within a reasonable range to be a witness could there be?

[Red Jones]

nothing to see here folks, move along, move along;

[alphadog]

The pilot of the HH-60 Major Meyers (Nam Vet) from the NY Air National Guard, 106th Air Rescue Group... already said it was a missle, he was doing a mission in the area (so close that he had to evade falling junk) to support a "RAMS" training mission (rubber raft from a HC-130 dumped in the water and pararescuemen swim to it...yada yada)

[timestax]

bump

[concerned about politics]

. Stephanopoulos, a Clinton adviser who is now an ABC News correspondent, mentioned on the air a secret meeting in the White House situation room "in the aftermath of the TWA 800 bombing."

Opps. That was suppose to be a Clinton secret.
The tin foilers still don't believe it. They wrap that foil too tight around their heads they can't see, I guess.

[A CA Guy]

Excuse me, I wanted to know how is this was true there would only be 36 posts after ALL this time. Then I reas the year 2000 mark on the article.

Why the article at this time?

[JHL]

This is so sad because I used to have such a great deal of respect for Reid Irvine. In this case, however, he really is dead wrong. I was the weapons officer on board USS Normandy in 1991-1993, a few years before this alleged shoot down. Normandy is the usual culprit cited by conspiracy theorists as the alleged source of the missile. From my own experience as a Navy officer with extensive battle group experience, I can tell you that this Navy shoot-down theory is pure bunk. I know I'll never convince those who long ago wedded themselves to that bizarre and untenable theory, but it is so obviously implausible to any credible Sailor with a shred of USN experience that it just isn't worth even arguing over.

In my opinion, this submariner, if he does exist, has an axe to grind with the Navy. After his first interview with Irvine, he probably realized he was in over his head with his "sea story" and hence his reticence when Irvine tried to get his story on tape.

[DoughtyOne]

Long ago I realized that this case had changed.

Those who wear the tin foil are the ones that still believe the government line on this. How many times did the White House mount a situation room scenario due to an airline crash prior to 09/11?

My guess would be zippety doo da outside of the TWA-800 missile downing. It just isn't a White House duty to scramble for an airliner crash. The NTSB takes over and does an investigation.

That one glaring fact seems to be lost on the real tin foilers.

[a6intruder]

Guess you must have missed this thread...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/619151/posts