Pakistan top general in Beijing: Defence cooperation tops agenda

Frontier Post ^ | 1/15/02

[Ranger]

BEIJING (APP): Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, General Muhammad Aziz Khan arrived here Monday to discuss with his Chinese counterpart ways and means to further strengthening their bilateral cooperation in the defence sector.General Aziz who is accompanied by senior military officers of the three services is expected to meet top-level civil and military leadership during his week-long stay in China.

General Aziz is paying the visit on the invitation of General Fu Quanyou, Commander-in-Chief of Peoples Liberation Army (PLA).

On his arrival this morning, he was warmly received at the Beijing International Airport by the senior officials of the PLA, Pakistan Ambassador to China Riaz H.

Khokhar, Defence Attache Brig.

Saeed Sharif and other officials of Pakistan Embassy.

According to the Defence sources, the two sides during the talks will discuss and review the existing level of their defence cooperation.

Talking to APP, Ambassador Riaz Khokhar said that the two countries have normal military trade relations and the current visit is a part of their regular contacts.

He hoped that the visit help to discuss various aspects of their defence cooperation.

He said Pakistan and China enjoy exemplary relations in all fields.

Their cooperation in the Defence field plays a significant role in maintaining peace and stability in the region, he added.

[ChaseR]

"According to the Defence sources, the two sides during the talks will discuss and review the existing level of their defence cooperation."

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Nyquist observes:

If anyone doubts that China's power is aimed at the United States, they should consider the present U.S. military's evacuation of Pakistan. On January 7 the Indian press reported that China threatened to pull out of the Gwadar port development project in Pakistan if Islamabad continued to allow U.S. forces to operate out of two Pakistani airports. Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf was told that China would not tolerate U.S. listening posts on Pakistani soil. The U.S. forces would have to leave Pakistan. Since Pakistan's survival versus India depends on Chinese military support, the Pakistanis asked the U.S. to leave. The Times of India [http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=926505539] reported last week that American forces are indeed leaving Pakistan. At the same time, President Musharraf's attempts at conciliation with India have not produced a withdrawal of Indian troops from the border.

[AGAviator]

Yoo Hoo!

Gee, China and Pakistan are backing down from India. Who (besides me) woulda thunk it?!
2 posted on 1/12/02 1:20 AM Pacific by Southack

China is sending Zhu to cowtow personally to India. Pakistan and China are backing down to save their skins just as I told you they would
8 posted on 1/12/02 1:15 PM Pacific by Southack

Any more predictions to entertain us?

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FYI

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Thanks for being at least one person noticing that all is not as the wishful and naive American press would lead us to believe.

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"American forces are indeed leaving Pakistan"

because of China

Did you catch that? Hello? Anybody there?

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I'll give you a prediction worth all its written on. ;)
Musharraf will turn out to be the same sort of betrayer that Arafat is.

[tallhappy]

You got it.

China did not like Musharraf letting the US use bases and didn't like the listening posts. They were not cooperative in this war. Musharaf did it despite China.

They have big plans for Gwadar and don't want the US anywhere near.

Bush goes to China next month for an overnight in Beijing.

[tallhappy]

Reports from Pakistan say the Musharraf regime began asking the US military to return two of the four bases – Jacobabad and Pasni

Above from your link. Pasni is right next to Gwadar. The ChiComs especially do not like the listening posts.

We will have to see what happens.

Bin Laden is probably in Pakistan, so this is all quite significant.

[tallhappy]

I think it is that Musharraf can decide to go back to the ChiComs and kick out the US or there can be another coup and another general supplant Musharraf.

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Bin Laden is probably in Pakistan, so this is all quite significant.

And the latest speculation circulated is that he likely is in Kashmir, just a good fit with its instability and fighting. Given the decentralized operation of the nuclear forces in Pak, I expect next to hear that OBL is running operations there in conjuction with the local warlord with a nuke.

The West will panic. As it should already.

[OKCSubmariner]

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Thanks.

[OKCSubmariner]

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[OKCSubmariner]

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[OKCSubmariner]

BUMP and Please see reply #3

[RightWhale]

"American forces are indeed leaving Pakistan"
because of China

Since they are not actually leaving Pakistan, the rest of the thesis fails.

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Not all of Pakistan, the airbases are the issue. This is a partial retreat. That's all.

[RightWhale]

The other thing is: the reason they were there was to roust out Alqaida. That is pretty well done in that theater. America would have little reason to maintain a strong force in the region on a permanent basis, especially if Pakistan can begin to control the terrorist radicals on their own [Pakistan's] turf.

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That is a pretty big IF.
I disagree.

I am not so optimistic that things "are done in that theater," especially considering the main leaders (OBL, Omar, Zawahiri, etc.) are not even located. And how come all the heavy bombing now even in Afghanistan. We hear of al Qaeda regrouping. And the Pashtuns are OBL sympathetic.

Musharraf cut his teeth on fighting India over Kashmir. He would not hand over the 20 or so old friends of his so easily to India. Ther is much left to be done in the theater IMO.