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lieberman Lies Again
fox news | 1/14/02 | stumpy

Posted on 01/14/2002 8:25:05 AM PST by stumpy

Lieberman is speaking now, claiming that clintoon built up the military making the Afghanistan campaign a success.


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What a bunch of hoeey, I hope some G.I. asked him why his vote didn't count.
1 posted on 01/14/2002 8:25:05 AM PST by stumpy
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They're so desperate - I love it! If the military was so happy with Klintoon, then why did they vote for Bush some 60-70%?
2 posted on 01/14/2002 8:27:55 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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This is rich, a militant speech at Georgetown? What's next, peace in our time speech at the Citadel?
3 posted on 01/14/2002 8:30:41 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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This line about W benefiting from the military Clinton left him came directly from one of the meetings the Clintons have held to repair Bubba's post-election reputation. Its a classic Clintonoid spin--but, like the rest of his administration, entirely bogus.
4 posted on 01/14/2002 8:38:14 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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lieberman lies in God's name too...man would I hate to be him on judgement day
5 posted on 01/14/2002 8:40:47 AM PST by cactusSharp
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To: stumpy
Who believes this hoooie? Is it the demorats? What are they blind plus stupid?
6 posted on 01/14/2002 8:42:32 AM PST by sandydipper
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IF lieberman's klinton's military build up lie isn't rebuted, bubba has won round one of his legacy make-over! The sheeple will once again believe all the recent lies coming out of the RATS butts!! If the pubbies let this one slip by without speaking out, they are without a doubt spineless!
7 posted on 01/14/2002 8:42:56 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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Lieberman lies about everything. His whole campaign image in his VP campaign was one giant lie.

"Moderate" Lieberman - and his fringe-left voting record!

8 posted on 01/14/2002 8:45:39 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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People accept what the rats say, when repubs say something its always taken with a grain of salt. The rats have succesfully convinced the lazy and weak minded that repubs are out to get them. SO whatever repubs say to counter this, I imagine it wont do much.
9 posted on 01/14/2002 8:47:17 AM PST by smith288
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To: glc1173@aol.com
My company must think this is a racist link you gave me because they redirected me elsewhere.
10 posted on 01/14/2002 8:48:18 AM PST by smith288
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The "mainstream" media - shilling for Al Gore's campaign -
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Lieberman is one of only seven senators to earn a rating of
zero from the American Conservative Union - more liberal than ACU
rates either Barbara Boxer or Ted Kennedy.
And Lieberman's individual votes show why. On any social
issue, count on Lieberman to vote the hard-left agenda. He did so
long before the Clintons took office.
Lieberman voted to let women fly combat missions - in 1989,
three years before Clinton was elected; he then again voted to let
women fly combat missions - in 1991.
He voted in 1993 to let Clinton unilaterally decide whether
gays serve in the military.
On abortion, Lieberman has consistently voted the hard-left
line. In 1990, he voted against requiring parental notification
for underage girls having abortions. Every year from 1995 through
1999, he voted to not ban partial-birth abortion. He voted for
federal abortion funding in 1993.
Lieberman voted in 1995 to confirm Dr. Henry Foster as Surgeon
General - despite Foster's repeated changed stories of how many
abortions he had done, a major issue in the debate.
Lieberman has consistently voted against gun owners. In 1993,
he voted to require a five-day waiting period for handgun
purchases; he had previously voted for a waiting period in 1991.
In 1993, he voted to ban some semiauto rifles - as he had in 1990,
before the Clintons took office. In 1999, he voted to require
background checks at gun shows.
On Mar. 4, 1999, Lieberman reintroduced Clinton's "global warming" treaty.
Despite often being hailed as the only Democratic congressman
to openly scold Clinton about Monicagate, Lieberman voted to acquit Clinton and to let him stay in office - in three 1999 votes.

On immigration, Lieberman voted to expand H-1(b) visas in
1998.
He even voted against repealing the 55 mph speed limit in
1995.
In short, Lieberman is a hard-core pinko - from long before he
could blame it on just allegiance to a Democratic president.
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11 posted on 01/14/2002 8:56:51 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: stumpy
Lie-berman has always been a devout liar!
12 posted on 01/14/2002 8:57:08 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: stumpy
Clinton did nothing but hurt us for years, with forced early retirements, crappy pay, etc etc. And Gore only finished off any remaining doubts any Military members may have had (If they had any) when they thru our ballots out.

There is sooo much to say about what "clinton really did for the Military" and I can tell you it isn't positive. So here is a link to another earlier thread that really went into "Cinton and his Army"


13 posted on 01/14/2002 8:57:19 AM PST by KineticKitty
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So slick willie created this awesome military......and then he did what..........................
14 posted on 01/14/2002 9:04:50 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: KineticKitty
"Clintons "Military" Sorry for the bad link above.
15 posted on 01/14/2002 9:04:59 AM PST by KineticKitty
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So slick willie created this awesome military......and then he did what..........................

Fired million dollar missiles at $10 empty tents and hit camels in the back side.

.... oh, yes, and he destroyed an aspirin factory.

16 posted on 01/14/2002 9:10:19 AM PST by kayak
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The Dems cannot be serious-do they think after having a real man in the White House,we would want to vote for a whiny voiced,marionette faced,low energy,ersatz military man?? This trial balloon will crash as fast as Daschle's.
17 posted on 01/14/2002 9:11:24 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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Since when does a senator get involved in forgein affairs.
18 posted on 01/14/2002 9:11:59 AM PST by Edyie
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To: stumpy

The next book in my series on the Downside Legacy at Two Degrees of President Clinton deals with the Armed Forces. This is a rough draft of Chapter I – for the discussion:

 

 

Under the Clinton administration, military budgets and resources were viciously slashed well beyond anything anticipated by the prior administration as a dividend for the ending of the cold war.

 

"Our forces are almost 40% smaller than a decade ago - shrunk from 18 Army divisions to 10, from 22 Air Force wings to 12 and from 528 Navy ships to 315. The defense budget is 25% smaller than of the peak Reagan years and represents 2.8% of gross domestic product - the lowest percentage since before Pearl Harbor…

Most of the major [military equipment] systems now in use were designed in the 1960s and '70s and procured during the '80s buildup...

The annual U.S. investment in new military equipment has decreased 70% from the 1980s. As a result, U.S. defense industries are in the doldrums, with their workload at subsistence levels and their talent being drawn away by the civilian high-tech sector's big salaries and stock options." [1]

The Clinton administration began the bombing campaign in Kosovo [March, 1999] with the U.S. military already in tatters. Representative Henry Hyde described the conditions:

"The Army has reduced its ranks by more than 630,000 soldiers and civilians and closed over 700 installations at home and overseas… Since 1987, active duty military personnel have been reduced by more than 800,000…

The Navy has total of 22,000 empty slots in a 324-ship fleet.

The armed services already suffer a severe ammunition shortfall going into the Kosovo engagement. According to the Service Chiefs, the FY99 ammunition shortfall for the Marine Corps is $193 million. For the Army in FY00, it is a shocking $3.5 billion.

The equipment we have is aging.

A-10 pilots flying over Kosovo have been forced to spend their own money to buy inferior, off-the-shelf GPS receivers at local stores and attach them with Velcro to their planes to use in conjunction with their outdated survival radios should their planes crash.

At a congressional hearing held in February [1999] at the Navy’s Strike and Air Warfare Center in Fallen, NV – the world-renowned ‘Top Gun’ fighter pilot school – Members were told that mechanical problems had grounded 14 of the center’s 23 aircraft.

More than half of the B1-Bs at Ellsworth AFB are not mission capable because they lack critical parts." [2]

The reductions of budget and personnel were not met by reduced workload. To the contrary, although forces were reduced by one third, they were nevertheless assigned three times as many operations in far-flung places all over the globe. When the active military could no longer keep up with the demand, reserves were called up.

 

"The Clinton/Gore Administration has stretched our military forces thin in the past seven years. Between 1960 and 1991, the United States Army conducted 10 ‘operational events.’ In the past eight years, the Army has conducted 26 operational events --- 2 1/2 times that number in 1/3 the time span. Today [April 1999], there are 265,000 American troops in 135 countries." [3]

"Beginning with a cruise missile assault against Baghdad in June 1993 (the first of several all-but-forgotten pinprick attacks against Iraq), Clinton has fought (and lost) a sharp skirmish with Mohammed Farah Aideed in Somalia; occupied Haiti; bombed Bosnian Serbs who defied American efforts to broker a Balkan peace; placed U.S. troops at the forefront of a NATO-led incursion into Bosnia; inaugurated a highly publicized war on terror by obliterating a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan and a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan; threatened, postponed and then in December 1998 executed a ‘major’ air campaign against Iraq, the prelude to a war of attrition that has continued ever since; threatened, postponed and now executed a large-scale bombing campaign to punish Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for not signing the peace agreement proffered last month [February 1999] in Rambouillet, France." [4]

Under Clinton’s leadership, priorities were turned on their head. Beginning with the issue of gays in the military - the rough and tumble military culture was forced to comply with Clinton administration demands for political correctness regardless of whether they were counter productive to the mission of fighting and winning wars. Recruitment results read like an indictment against this wrong-headedness, as only the Marines were able to meet their personnel requirements. The Marines were exempt from the requirement for gender integrated training.

"When Sara Lister was forced to resign her Pentagon position [November 1997] after labeling the Marine Corps as ‘extremists,’ there were those among the fair-minded who wondered whether she had been treated too harshly…

Women do play a vital role in our national defense. We could not and should not do without their participation. But that is not the same as saying that every barrier to women in the military should be removed. Frequently, there are considerable trade-offs, which military leaders are entitled to take into account. When the Army integrated women into the ranks of its medics, for example, it found that two women, unlike two men, do not possess the upper body strength needed to carry a fully laden stretcher.

Faced with the mandate to assimilate women into these positions, the Army neatly redefined carrying a stretcher as a task that requires four soldiers. Thus, the social engineers win another battle, and a new niche is opened for women. Few seemed to notice that, in the process, readiness has just declined by 50%." [5]

"Nowadays, basic training resembles summer camp. The Navy no longer Drills its trainees with rifles, and issues them a ‘blue card’ to hand to their trainer if they feel discouraged." [6]

"Finally, I mentioned that only one service is successfully meeting its recruitment goals. Instructively, that service is the United States Marine Corps, home of Lister's ‘extremists.’ It alone resists the feminist's demands to integrate basic training; it alone cultivates unabashedly a reputation for breeding warriors who don't need to call for a ‘time out’ when things get tough…

And when such an event [civilians under siege] happens, the hopeless and besieged won't be looking anxiously over the horizon for a group of American troops liberated from their masculine constructs, polite and courteous, attentive to the sensitivities of others. They'll be looking for the Marines." [7]

With Clinton at the helm, the military was no longer focused on warfare readiness, but rather it was reassigned to seemingly neverending international missions in support of the Clinton objective of spreading democracy through globalism. The move toward globalism itself encouraged the defense industry to look offshore for financial health. No apparent thought was given to the possible conflict of interest when a crucial supplier may be owned in part by a potential enemy-object of the very weapon systems being supplied.

Even at the material level, this lack of planning became apparent. The politically correct decision to use tungsten instead of lead or depleted uranium for munitions was not preceded by a major stockpiling. The supplier for tungsten is China.

In 1969, Clinton organized venomous anti-government, pro-enemy, anti-military war protests - for which he has yet to apologize. He was more than a simple draft dodger, expressing his loathing of the military in this December 3, 1969 letter to his ROTC Director, Colonel Eugene Holmes.

 

"Let me try to explain. As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did. I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine, After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans for the demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16…

Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity…

The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system…

And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.

Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Col. Jones for me.

Merry Christmas.

Sincerely,
Bill Clinton" [8]

The military is legally prohibited from complaining about the president. For eight years they endured, serving at the pleasure of a man who loathed the military:

"For those convinced that ‘Wag the Dog’ is just a Hollywood invention, I offer a hard-to-find report titled ‘An Investigation into the Magnitude of Foreign Contacts.’ This document, penned, not by any Hollywood producer, but by Federal Reserve economists (document No. RWP97-14), is essentially a scientific quantification of the ‘Wag the Dog’ theory. The researchers employ a lengthy and complex mathematical model to illustrate the potential advantages of small-scale wars to presidents in distress." [9]

"The administration's military adventures have been starkly consistent with the report's findings since its release in late 1997 (at the same time Clinton's fortunes turned south with his Paula Jones deposition). The authors hold that the benefit a leader can receive from starting a war is directly related to the perceptions that war affects in the electorate - thus, Clinton's seeming tendency to profile his wars against his scandals." [10]

"Finally, and most disturbingly, he seems to wage war only when it stands to benefit him personally. War has been waged neither in Rwanda nor North Korea, and we cut and ran from Somalia - humanitarian and credibility concerns notwithstanding." [11]

"It was a sure sign that U.S. power and prestige have diminished when, at Kosovo peace talks, the Albanian delegation mistook the U.S. secretary of state for a cleaning lady. The incident is a metaphor for what critics call the squandering of U.S. superpower status since Bill Clinton and Al Gore were elected eight years ago." [12]

"Emerging from the hastily prepared October summit with Israeli and Palestinian leaders, President Clinton looked defeated — and it was far from the first time. Veteran White House and State Department officials say that has cheapened the perceived power of the United States as much as any lost battle." [13]

 

Caspar Weinberger offered this explanation for what has happened to the military: "The Clinton administration never seems to understand the military, nor in many cases even to like it. As almost its first act, the Clinton administration began advocating reversal of years of careful handling of the issue of homosexuality in the armed forces. This had the effect of polarizing the military and resulted in one of the standard halfway compromises by which difficult issues are brushed under the rug." [14]

 

EndNotes:

 

  1. Skibbie, Lawrence. "Nation's Military Edge is Eroding." New York Daily News. October 10, 2000 http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39f7025c785e.htm (30 APR 2001)
  2. Hyde, Representative Henry. "U.S. Military Resources Have Been Depleted by Years of Clinton/Gore Neglect" http://www.house.gov/hyde/defbudgpoints.htm
  3. Ibid.
  4. Bacevich, Andrew "Giving air cover to policy problems" LA Times-Washington Post March 28, 1999 http://archives.star.arabia.com/990401/FE3.html (2 MAY 2001)
  5. Voelkner, Captain Herman T. U.S. Army (Retired) Comment on The U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings "Gender and the Civil-Military Gap," S. Lister, pp 50-53, January 2000 http://www.usni.org/Proceedings/Aritcles00/PROlister.htm http://keepingapace.org/html/archives/portstarboard/fromtheinternet.html (1 MAY 2001)
  6. Ibid.
  7. Ibid.
  8. Clinton, Bill "Letter to Col Eugene Holmes" December 3, 1969 http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/803.html (5 MAY 2001)
  9. Burgess, Paul. "'Wag the Dog' .... not just a movie: A chilling report on 'diversionary wars'" The Cincinnati Enquirer. June 23, 1999. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37780ee535b3.htm (30 APR 2001)
  10. Ibid.
  11. Ibid.
  12. Waller, J. Michael "Policy Disaster." Insight Magazine November 13, 2000 http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200011132.shtml (1 MAY 2001)
  13. Ibid.
  14. Weinberger, Caspar. "U.S. Military: Downsized, Downtrodden and Discontented." American Legion Magazine October, 2000 http://www.legion.org/pubs/2000/military10.htm (30 APR 2001)

19 posted on 01/14/2002 9:12:12 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: KineticKitty
Sorry, I meant to ping you on #19 above.
20 posted on 01/14/2002 9:13:46 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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