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New program driven at developing hydrogen fuel cells
AP ^ | 1/9/2002 | Ed Garsten

Posted on 01/09/2002 3:40:24 PM PST by John Jamieson

DETROIT -- The Bush administration launched a partnership today with domestic automakers to spur the growth of hydrogen fuel cells for the next generation of cars and trucks, hoping to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil while reducing tailpipe pollution.

The new program, called Freedom Cooperative Automotive Research, will also focus on developing a hydrogen refueling infrastructure, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said.

"The long-term results of this cooperative effort will be cars and trucks that are more efficient, cheaper to operate, pollution-free and competitive in the showroom," Abraham said at the North American International Auto Show.

The government hopes fuel cells will spur industry efforts to develop motor vehicle power systems that eventually will replace the internal combustion engine.

The new program replaces the Partnership for a New Generation Vehicle that was started by the Clinton administration to develop a vehicle that could attain 80 miles per gallon fuel efficiency.

The Energy Department and senior Bush administration policy officials have expressed little enthusiasm for that program, which was aimed at quadrupling automobile fuel economy by the middle of this decade.

"This new initiative that the Department of Energy is launching is exciting not only because it can replace gasoline as a way to power vehicles making America more energy independent, but it's pollution-free," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said.

Fuel cells produce electricity from a chemical reaction in which hydrogen and oxygen are combined without a flame. The only byproduct is water.

In recent years, the cost of fuel cells has dropped sharply. Hydrogen can be produced from natural gas aboard vehicles or pure hydrogen can be used, though that would require development of a supply infrastructure.

Automobile fuel economy likely is to be a major issue when the Senate takes up energy legislation next month. Democrats are calling for the government to require increased auto fuel efficiency, especially for popular sport utility vehicles.

The New Generation partnership had pushed industry development of hybrid gasoline-electric cars now just entering the market. It also had focused industry attention on finding ways to improve fuel economy without reducing car size and zip.

Using advanced aerodynamics, new engine technologies and lighter composite materials, the automakers in the program developed prototypes of vehicles capable of getting more than 70 mpg, three times better than most cars now on the road. But commercial development of large numbers of these cars in the next few years, as once envisioned, was not expected.

Although Abraham supported the program as a senator from Michigan, shortly after he became energy secretary he said the program had outlived its usefulness because the auto industry was going in a different direction.

The Bush administration proposed slashing funding for the program as part of its first budget a year ago. However, Congress kept it alive, even as some environmental groups and the watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense called the program an unnecessary subsidy for the car industry.

This new government-industry partnership "will further the president's national energy policy, which calls for increased research in hydrogen technology to diversify and enhance America's energy security," the Energy Department said.

Although several automakers -- including DaimlerChrysler AG, Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. -- have said they expect to have fuel-cell vehicles in showrooms within the next four or five years, wide availability of such cars is probably a decade or more away.

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Energy Department: http://www.energy.gov/

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


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To: Wonder Warthog
So that is why ALL the auto makers are spending tens of millions of dollars to develop fuel cell cars?? Don't make me laugh!!

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. Where are all those expensive Electric Vehicles that tens of millions were spent on by the car manufacturers? Answer:

Like I said : "People will not buy an expensive toy that doesn't give them equivalent performance to what they have now. Which major car manufacturer is going to stick their neck out in mass production first while you have your good ole reliable combustible engine in your car in the yard."

61 posted on 01/09/2002 7:13:13 PM PST by Down South P.E.
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To: John Jamieson
I admit I find the hydrogen based plans more lucrative than solar or wind powered programs.
62 posted on 01/09/2002 7:16:18 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Cool, but only a small piece of the total solution. Might be a great way to store hydrogen.....certainly a needed piece of the puzzel. IC engines can burn H2 with water injection to reduce NOX.
63 posted on 01/09/2002 7:16:33 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
If you dig deeper into their web site you will find some diagrams for proposed powerplant designs, that could supposedly be used for automobiles. Anyway, glad you found it interesting. Dig a bit deeper into their site, I think you'll find it worth your time.
64 posted on 01/09/2002 7:20:38 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Jesse
That was certainly my first view too.

But if W actually has a long term plan to switch to nuclear/hydrogen economy....I think it's brillant.

65 posted on 01/09/2002 7:26:24 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: Cvengr
I still have a very fond place in my heart for simple component availability on a mass market.

I agree - a key point in my thesis.

I recognize the concerns for safety in design, but I also recognize many parties are out there who seek to intrude upon everybody else's liberties simply to exert their authority and will in making things 'safe'.

This is true to. And don't forget about your attornies and many stupid (but not all) law suits. A balance must be struck. Lots of your industry standards such as ANSI are developed by people in the business of manufacturing their particular products and are valuable. Though unfortunately I admit politics and power hunger are still a part (as it will always be with humans).

I applaud the idea of fuel cells. I just don't find they outperform when convoluted with those other functions in a utilitarian fashion.

I think we are reading from the same page.

66 posted on 01/09/2002 7:29:04 PM PST by Down South P.E.
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To: John Jamieson
The socialist keep telling us we're running out of oil, but it just ain't true. They just want to bankrupt capitalism, so they can take charge. We find more reserves every year and keep finding more all the time. We find new ways to get more out of the ground, and use less thru conservation too.

More and more geologist now think that the earth is continual production of oil and we haven't even scratched the surface yet.

Look it up, there have always been an increasing amount of reserves over previous years, and the projected shortage is always a few years ahead, and based on zero new discovery.

Read this

67 posted on 01/09/2002 8:26:20 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"You obviously know a lot about this subject. I have a question; in your opinion, is there any liquid based fuel that is commonly available, could be pumped through the existing gasoline delivery infrastructure, and be used in some version of fuel cells? Is ethanol a possibility here?"

See methanol. Do a Google search on "direct methanol fuel cell".

68 posted on 01/10/2002 2:40:11 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Fuel-cell EV's will leapfrog that problem. I fully expect to see fuel-cell cars on the road in less than 10 years. Fuel-cell BUSES are already there.

Absolutely! I watch the fuel cell companies closely - their stocks do very well when the the price of oil approaches $30 / bl. I suspect that the greatest impetus for these vehicles will be the cost of oil if /when it rises sufficiently.

69 posted on 01/10/2002 3:20:43 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Wonder Warthog
Can't coal be easily, cheaply, and cleanly converted into methanol (I remember hearing about it, just don't remember which -anol it converted into). From what I read, it appeared to be easy to convert a gasoline engine into a methanol engine, which would burn cleaner than gasoline. And then, as your link showed, it can also be used in a fuel cell, then we have the best of all worlds: burn it if you wish, use it in a fuel cell if you wish. Everyone smiling!
70 posted on 01/10/2002 4:29:52 AM PST by historian1944
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To: historian1944
"Can't coal be easily, cheaply, and cleanly converted into methanol (I remember hearing about it, just don't remember which -anol it converted into)."

Yes (and it is methanol that is the easiest/most direct/cheapest final product--although with enough chemistry, you can also convert the coal to gasoline--as the Germans did in WWII). Virtually ANY source of carbonaceous material (garbage, agricultural waste, natural gas, coal, etc. etc.) can be pretty easily converted to methanol.

"From what I read, it appeared to be easy to convert a gasoline engine into a methanol engine, which would burn cleaner than gasoline. And then, as your link showed, it can also be used in a fuel cell, then we have the best of all worlds: burn it if you wish, use it in a fuel cell if you wish. Everyone smiling!"

Indeed. Another advantage of methanol is that it can use the existing gasoline distribution infrastructure (pipelines, tank trucks, and gas stations) with minimal modification.

71 posted on 01/10/2002 6:14:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: John Jamieson

” The Bush administration launched a partnership today with domestic automakers to spur the growth of hydrogen fuel cells for the next generation of cars and trucks,...”

And 18 years later that taxpayer money has produced... nothing.


72 posted on 12/19/2020 9:39:18 PM PST by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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