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Thousands of Troops Needed in Afghanistan -Experts
Reuters via iwon.com ^ | November 7, 2001 | Charles Aldinger

Posted on 11/07/2001 4:24:25 PM PST by CommiesOut

Thousands of Troops Needed in Afghanistan -Experts

November 7, 2001 5:05 pm EST

By Charles Aldinger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Military experts predicted on Wednesday after a month of U.S. bombing that thousands of American and allied troops would be needed in a spring offensive to drive Afghanistan's ruling Taliban from power.

The experts spoke with Reuters as the Taliban's battle-hardened military and al Qaeda guerrillas of fugitive Osama bin Laden remained entrenched and defiant, raising key questions about the young war on terrorism in that rugged country.

How and when will the Taliban go, and at what cost?

Despite statements from Pentagon officials that anti-Taliban Northern Alliance forces were making some progress with support from U.S. bombs and special forces troops, the private analysts said Washington's dependence on the opposition force was misplaced.

"To expect the Northern Alliance to sweep through Afghanistan is daft. They have never been a credible military force," said Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's World Armies in London.

"The Americans, Germans, British and others will use the winter to build up their forces and by early march have many, many thousands in the area to launch a conventional ground assault," Heyman said, adding that such a campaign need not be long and littered with allied casualties.

With weapons ranging from $1 million ship-fired cruise missiles to napalm-like 15,000-pound (6,800 kg) "Daisy Cutter" bombs, U.S. and British forces have since Oct. 7 raked Taliban military targets and hide-out tunnels and caves of al Qaeda leaders.

OVER 2,000 AIR ATTACK MISSIONS

More than 2,000 bombing missions have been flown, some accidentally killing civilians. But with the icy winter settling in, bin Laden remains at large and the fundamentalist Muslin Taliban -- who once defeated the Soviet Union -- are jeering at the U.S. military to come and get them.

Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution in Washington agreed with Pentagon officials that an air campaign alone would not win the war. But defense officials have repeatedly refused to speculate about any major use of U.S. troops.

"It will take a major infusion of ground forces in the spring to do the job," said Daalder, adding that perhaps the 82nd Airborne Division or other U.S. troops and allied forces might be used in the coming months to secure bases in northern and southern Afghanistan to launch special forces strikes.

"The Northern Alliance is a very fragile reed to pin your hopes on," said Larry Korb, a former assistant defense secretary, now with the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

"It is clear that we have over-estimated the Northern Alliance and under-estimated the Taliban," he said. "If you want to accomplish your objective of getting rid of the Taliban rather quickly, it is going to take a lot of allied troops."

Northern Alliance forces, attacking on horseback and supported by U.S. bombs and elite special troops on the ground, have so far failed to capture the capital of Kabul and the key crossroads of Mazar-i-Sharif.

NOT WHETHER, BUT WHEN

"This is opposition forces riding horseback into combat against tanks and armored personnel carriers," Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters at a briefing on Wednesday.

"So these folks are aggressive, they're taking the war to their enemy and ours," he said. "We have not put ourselves on a timetable and we shouldn't put them on a timetable."

Private experts said the key question was not whether, but when and at what cost, the Taliban would be deposed and Afghanistan shut off as a haven for bin Laden, accused by Washington of masterminding the Sept. 11 attacks on America.

"One month later, we are on track and making progress on what we set out to accomplish," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's spokeswoman said at Wednesday's briefing.

Victoria Clarke refused to make any predictions on the war except to note that Rumsfeld said when the bombing started that the fight against the Taliban would be long, difficult and unconventional and would result in victory.

The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington last week estimated that the campaign in Afghanistan had cost up to $800 million in the first 25 days of the bombing and the price could soon escalate to $1 billion a month.

But Michael Vickers, a defense expert with the center, told Reuters on Wednesday that the bombing campaign to date was not intense enough. He noted that the U.S.-led air campaign against Yugoslavia two years ago saw up to 700 air sorties a day.

"The Northern Alliance are a bunch of rag-tag guys and we have not yet given them the support or material they need," Vickers said. Either we are going to get them equipped to do the job, or somebody else is going to have to do it."



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1 posted on 11/07/2001 4:24:25 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: madrussian; malarski; Askel5; GROUCHOTWO; Zviadist; kristinn; Free the USA; struwwelpeter...
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2 posted on 11/07/2001 4:24:49 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Hi, I'm curious if you believe the jist of this article. Frankly, I am suspicious of anything carrying the Reuters byline, as I believe that they have an agenda, but I am unsure of what that agenda is.
3 posted on 11/07/2001 4:34:25 PM PST by meridia
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To: meridia
Any "news" nowadays is a one fat joke.
4 posted on 11/07/2001 4:40:11 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: jimmyBEEgood
WE HAVE BIGER FISH TO FRY

Heard Powell today. Sounds like Saddam is next.

6 posted on 11/07/2001 4:42:33 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: malarski
"This is opposition forces riding horseback into combat against tanks and armored personnel carriers," Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters at a briefing on Wednesday.

Hehe! Reminds me how "allies" helped another country years ago.
These Northern Alliance dudes shouldn't make too much waves though. They have support of US bombs.
If they piss us off we can call them anti-semites.

7 posted on 11/07/2001 4:42:55 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
"To expect the Northern Alliance to sweep through Afghanistan is daft. They have never been a credible military force," said Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's World Armies in London.

Since when has the Pentagon ever said they expect the NA to "sweep through Afghanistan"? It's a myth created by the press. The NA is useful because it requires the Taliban to keep forces in the north and stretch their supplies instead of centralizing.

8 posted on 11/07/2001 4:42:57 PM PST by GVnana
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To: meridia
. . . the fundamentalist Muslin Taliban -- who once defeated the Soviet Union -- are jeering at the U.S. military to come and get them.

This shows their agenda and it is a crock. The Taliban was one of several groups which defeated the Soviet Union with massive doses of U.S. weapons and aid.

It is worth remembering that Allied forces spent from D-Day in June 1944 until early August making very little progress beyond the hedgerow country surrounding the Normandy beachhead and with a much higher concentration of men, support and firepower.

9 posted on 11/07/2001 4:45:16 PM PST by Rubber Duckie
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To: CommiesOut
Crap. Pure ignorant crap printed to sell papers.

There is no way Towelbites can live in their trenches during the winter. For one, they'll freeze to death. If they don't freeze, they'll starve for lack of food. If they don't freeze and don't starve, then their bodies give off heat... which is like a night-time strobe light to our NVG/infrared equip. ANd cave openings/airholes give off the same strobe-light heat...

Winter will be our ally. Wait and see.

We will continue to keep heavy pressure on them and their supply lines until winter is in real good. THen we just sit and wait for them to move...then BLAM!.

They really will freeze and starve, poor bastards (not). This is why the northern alliance keeps saying they're about to move in...so that the towelbites stay entrenched for their winter deaths. :0)

10 posted on 11/07/2001 4:51:17 PM PST by Principled
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To: Rubber Duckie
I agree completely! That the Taliban BELIEVES that they defeated the Soviets is understandable, as they are pathetically illogical, stupid and pathological, but that PRESS parrots such nonsense as Truth is inconceivable. The USA, solely, was responsible for the withdrawal of the USSR from Afghanistan -- NOT the Afghan Arabs, the Mujahideen, the Afghans, NOR Osama bin Laden.
11 posted on 11/07/2001 4:54:17 PM PST by meridia
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To: CommiesOut
"Every move they make, every breath they take, we'll be watching them . . ."
12 posted on 11/07/2001 4:54:33 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: RightWhale
Sounds like Saddam is next
Better not leave him in power again then. That was a loser move.
13 posted on 11/07/2001 4:57:34 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Rubber Duckie
making very little progress beyond the hedgerow country surrounding the Normandy beachhead and with a much higher concentration of men

Not to mention another "heroic" performance of the "Allies" in 1939: 110 French and British divisions, which faced 25 German divisions, remained completely inactive.
The Sitzkrieg Boys.

15 posted on 11/07/2001 5:01:59 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: meridia
Frankly, I am suspicious of anything carrying the Reuters byline

Considering Reuters has decided not to call the terrorists who murdered 5000 Americans.... "terrorists"..... in their reporting...I would say your suspicion is well placed.

16 posted on 11/07/2001 5:02:46 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Rubber Duckie
It is worth remembering that Allied forces spent from D-Day in June 1944 until early August making very little progress beyond the hedgerow country surrounding the Normandy beachhead and with a much higher concentration of men, support and firepower.

The situations, are not at all similar. The Nazi's were a heavyly armed professional army. The Taliban is very light infantry, and poorly organized at that.

I guess that I object to the billions of dollars the US tax payer has spent on Quick reaction forces, air mobile and airbourne, all those 24-72hours to the battle field boasts. If these military forces are so fast, why does it take 6 months for them to get to the battle field? It's not like the Taliban has 1 million men, and 3,000 armored vehicles. It's true of war, that the quicker the victory, the lower the casualties. The moral thing for us to do, is to use overwhelming force, and finsh this thing quickly.

17 posted on 11/07/2001 5:21:21 PM PST by Eagle74
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To: Eagle74
Because until last weekend the didn't have any airbase to land in mr. armchair general
18 posted on 11/07/2001 5:24:50 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing
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To: CommiesOut
More than 2,000 bombing missions have been flown, some accidentally killing civilians. But with the icy winter settling in, bin Laden remains at large and the fundamentalist Muslin Taliban -- who once defeated the Soviet Union -- are jeering at the U.S. military to come and get them.

They may think they defeated the Soviet Union. But they were just a tool, of the West's cold war, against the Communists.

19 posted on 11/07/2001 5:27:47 PM PST by Eagle74
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To: Principled
Good observation. No one has brought that one up before. Keep those bastards in the trenches till winter comes and then go in for the kill. Cool.
20 posted on 11/07/2001 5:41:35 PM PST by appeal2
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