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Illinois High School Uses Lie Detectors to Get to the Bottom of a Drinking Scandal
Associated Press ^ | November 5, 2001 | Jay Hughes, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/05/2001 10:45:02 AM PST by Constitution Day

Nov 5, 2001

Illinois High School Uses Lie Detectors to Get to the Bottom of a Drinking Scandal

By Jay Hughes
Associated Press Writer

DUNLAP, Ill. (AP) - One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked up to a polygraph machine.

The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed.

Seven of the 10 students who submitted to the lie detector exams - all of them football players - flunked the questioning last month and were barred from competing in the first round of the state playoffs. Some of their parents wept when they learned their children had lied to them.

Dunlap High went to extraordinary lengths to get to the bottom of what was otherwise a routine case of teen-agers getting into trouble.

School Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way."

The investigation began after police broke up a party Oct. 6. Nobody was arrested, but officers took down the names of everyone present and traced the registration of all cars parked there. Their list of 15 athletes was turned over to school officials.

Three students admitted guilt when confronted. But many others claimed that they had left the party as soon as they realized alcohol was present. So school officials proposed the polygraphs.

Two students were suspended from the team after refusing to take the test, and seven more were suspended after flunking. Collier pointed out that three students were cleared who might otherwise have been punished.

"For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to work," he said.

Dunlap High went on to lose the Oct. 27 playoff game 28-7.

Mike Griffith, a policy analyst for the Education Commission of the States in Denver, said he has never heard of a school using polygraphs in such a way, and he called it an extreme measure.

"But in the end," he said, "if the parents don't file a complaint and the school district is satisfied, it's a done deal."

Matt Jones, an attorney who represented the students who took the polygraphs and their parents, said a lawsuit is unlikely, but parents may try to pressure the school board into changing its policy regarding parties. The students' names were not released by the school or Jones.

Jones said the suspended players - most of them starters - had greater concerns than the outcome of the game.

"Part of the disappointment is the public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them," the lawyer said. "With most of them, it's not about their participation but because they let down their team."

Some in this central Illinois town of about 1,000 people 12 miles north Peoria have been openly critical of school officials.

"You would think they have better things to do," said Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High graduate. Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high school, and athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their weekend activities. He said students sometimes lied, and their answers were accepted; nobody gave them a polygraph.

"That wouldn't have washed. The parents wouldn't have stood for it," he said.

Collier and Jones said that before each polygraph session, held at the school board's offices, the students and their parents were taken aside. The students were asked to describe their actions that night. Before the examinations began, the parents were asked to leave to eliminate distractions.

Afterward, the polygraph examiner went over results with the students and their parents. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them and the school.

The superintendent said getting the truth was more important than a football playoff game.

"I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies," he said. "Parents need to do more communicating with their kids on real-life issues and find out what they're doing on weekends."

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My apologies if already posted.

CD

1 posted on 11/05/2001 10:45:02 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Government schools are evil. See?
2 posted on 11/05/2001 10:47:52 AM PST by WriteOn
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To: Constitution Day
I've never understood the use of polygraphs anywhere. The "technology" involved is just short of miss cleo, and they are so unreliable that the results are not allowed in court as evidence.
3 posted on 11/05/2001 10:49:10 AM PST by goodieD
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To: Constitution Day
to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed.

This is what is known as "government intrusion".

4 posted on 11/05/2001 10:50:05 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Constitution Day
Boy would I hate to be a kid in 2001.
5 posted on 11/05/2001 10:50:19 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Constitution Day
I went to a private school and the administration had a lie detector test all its own. It was called our parents. You may occasionally lie to the administration, and you may occasionally lie to your parents, but have the administration call your parents to have a conference about you lying about something like this ....OH BOY!... well, as the saying goes, "The truth shall set you free".
7 posted on 11/05/2001 10:53:45 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: AppyPappy; Ratatoskr; goodieD; WriteOn
Any parents in this group?

My daughter is *way* too young for me to even be worried about this.

However, I hope my wife & I can raise her so that she can be trusted with a night out... and to tell the truth.

I was certainly no angel in high school, but my parents knew where I was & who I was with 99% of the time.

8 posted on 11/05/2001 10:54:07 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Polygraph tests are no better than tarot cards. When you ask polygraph proponents about that, they usually reply "They are effective tools for determining....blah blah blah". That is true. Since most people do not know that polygraphs are bogus, they can be used effectively to pressure people in to admitting things. For example, if you give some kids a polygraph test and tell them that the test shows that they are lying, and they should just give up now to make it easy on themselves, many will confess.
9 posted on 11/05/2001 10:54:15 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: FreeTally
"...the administration had a lie detector test all its own. It was called our parents."

Bump for that!

10 posted on 11/05/2001 10:55:21 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
The cops didn't arrest anyone - if there had been something so very bad going on they'd have made arrests. The busybody administrators need to take a break - until they start teaching as well as they should, they have no business keeping tabs on students after hours.

Too, 'polygraphy' is junk science (think voodoo) at best & to punish a kid for refusing to submit to it is ridiculous.

Just my .02

-bc

11 posted on 11/05/2001 10:55:52 AM PST by BearCub
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To: Constitution Day
I think a school has the right to enforce it's own rules concerning Athletic eligibility. That said, I think this was a step out-of-bounds. A few points, though, before total condemnation.

First, the three students who were honest were not suspended. They were honest and took their punishment, and they are the better for it.

Second, this sounds like the parents were completely informed and aware of what was going on.

Third, we do not know if alcohol abuse was something this particular school has had a hard time confronting. This may have been the result of frustration on the part of the administration.

I would also like to draw attention to the following section:

"Afterward, the polygraph examiner went over results with the students and their parents. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them and the school."

Sounds like not only did the kids learn about consquences of actions, but some parents learned the truth of their parenting skills and awareness levels.

12 posted on 11/05/2001 10:56:05 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: one_particular_harbour
Why didn't any of the parents file a complaint?
13 posted on 11/05/2001 10:56:25 AM PST by riley1992
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To: Constitution Day
Yes, teach them to be good, little slaves to the state, and that civil liberty is something they need not concern themselves with. Gov't schools, and we're surprised that they're learning to be subjects and not citizens...sheeesh!!
14 posted on 11/05/2001 10:56:55 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: Constitution Day
Nobody was arrested, but officers took down the names of everyone present

This is where the system failed. It was the responsibility of the officers to arrest everyone there or just break up the party. They just passed the buck. (not that I ever went to a party underaged.....)

15 posted on 11/05/2001 10:57:21 AM PST by Explorer89
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To: Constitution Day
Two students were suspended from the team after refusing to take the test...

Since when is taking a polygraph test a pre-requisite to paticipating in high school sports? If the authorities didn't have hard proof that a particular kid was breaking the rules, then they should be forced to back off.

16 posted on 11/05/2001 10:57:50 AM PST by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Constitution Day
Sure, the football players can't drink, but if the SATs are coming, bottoms up! Sheesh...
17 posted on 11/05/2001 10:57:52 AM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Ratatoskr
Boy would I hate to be a kid in 2001

It sure sounds like lots of fun, doesn't it?. Peeing in a cup to play sports or do extracurricular activities, having to to abide by non-sensical curfew laws, school dress codes that don't let you even have logos on your clothes, parental advisory stickers or the equivalent on everything, helmet laws for bicycle riders and skateboarders, etc, etc. Whatever happened to letting kids live a little?

We're raising a generation of either rebels or robots and 15 years from now we'll wonder why they're so screwed up.

18 posted on 11/05/2001 10:58:00 AM PST by gdani
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"Sounds like not only did the kids learn about consquences of actions,
but some parents learned the truth of their parenting skills and awareness levels.
"

ASB, I hope I never have to get to that point.

19 posted on 11/05/2001 10:58:42 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
I am a parent and a homeschooler. This is another reason why I wouldn't send my children to public schools. What my children do in their offtime is strictly MY business, not theirs. I have raised my children in the kind of household where I feel like I can trust them not to do the right thing, but if the time came that I felt something was up, *I* would be the one to ask the probing questions, not the government.
20 posted on 11/05/2001 10:59:08 AM PST by goodieD
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