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Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon
The Jerusalem Post ^ | October, 26 2001 | By Melissa Radler

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:34:53 PM PDT by Phil V.

The Jerusalem Post

Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon


By Melissa Radler October, 26 2001

NEW YORK (October 26) - Five Israeli men detained in New Jersey with box-cutters, multiple passports, and $4,000 cash on September 11, the day of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, may be deported back to Israel for immigration violations as early as next week, according to the Israeli consulate in New York.

Consul for Media and Public Affairs Ido Aharoni said the deportation order was issued by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service, and it must be approved by the Justice Department.

But the lawyer for the men, Steven Gordon, said the group is still waiting for the INS to sign the deportation order.

Gordon said the plight of the five, who were almost immediately cleared by authorities but subsequently held on relatively minor immigration violations, including overstaying a tourist visa by nine days and working illegally on a tourist visa, serves as a warning to anyone concerned with civil liberties in the wake of September 11.

"However, after ascertaining almost immediately that they had no involvement, it is just unconscionable that they have been denied bail and the government is deporting them," he said.

The consulate has visited the men twice, said Aharoni, the first time two weeks ago. Consul-General Alon Pinkas plans to visit them Monday.

Gordon said they have continuously requested, and not yet received, kosher food.

Trouble began for Sivan Kurzberg, his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Gavriel Marmari, all in their twenties and workers at a New Jersey-based moving company, on September 11 when they were picked up in a during the heightened security sweep following the attacks on New York and Washington.

A series of coincidences brought the police and FBI in hot pursuit of the men, said Gordon. After the two terrorist airplanes hit the World Trade Center, the men went to the rooftop of their workplace, and the rooftop of their moving van, and began taking pictures of the burning buildings, some with themselves in the foreground smiling.

In each location, the men, described in press reports as rugged and Middle Eastern-looking, evoked the ire of neighbors, who called the police to report suspicious activity.

Hours later, the men, who were driving back to their home in Brooklyn, were pulled over based on the description of the van given to police. With their box-cutters and cash seen as hijacker's weapons rather than tools of the moving trade, they were taken to Meadowlands police station, forced to lie down for 1.5 hours in a grassy area, then questioned by the FBI for 12-16 hours. They were not given food for the duration of the interrogation, said Gordon.

After determining the men were not connected to the attacks, they were turned over to INS custody and detained on immigration violations. A new round of interrogations began after the FBI developed their film, which, according to their lawyer, showed them posing on the rooftop and van as the World Trade Center collapsed behind them.

All five were held in solitary confinement until last week.

When asked if they had complained of being mistreated, Aharoni said, "All the reports that we received said they're in a maximum security facility. How well can you be treated in such a facility?"




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After the two terrorist airplanes hit the World Trade Center, the men went to the rooftop of their workplace, and the rooftop of their moving van, and began taking pictures of the burning buildings, some with themselves in the foreground smiling.
Each time Freepers post pictures of smiling Palestinians they should also post pictures of smiling Israelis.

Oh well, kids will be kids I guess.

1 posted on 10/25/2001 7:34:53 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Nachum; Galloway; Michael2001; The Documentary Lady; jmp702; malarski; Greg Weston; Sabramerican...
What are the odds of these pictures hitting the net?
2 posted on 10/25/2001 7:36:43 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
This doesn't sound good to me at all.
3 posted on 10/25/2001 7:43:34 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: Phil V.
Were these the Israelis cheering while filming?
4 posted on 10/25/2001 7:47:33 PM PDT by Int
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To: Phil V.
Gordon said the plight of the five, who were almost immediately cleared by authorities but subsequently held on relatively minor immigration violations, including overstaying a tourist visa by nine days and working illegally on a tourist visa, serves as a warning to anyone concerned with civil liberties in the wake of September 11. "However, after ascertaining almost immediately that they had no involvement, it is just unconscionable that they have been denied bail and the government is deporting them," he said.

Once cleared of any suspicion of involvement, of course they should be deported. What do they think, that they can come here and break our laws ? Americans who overstay their tourist visas in Israel or otherwise cause mischief should be deported as well. Either disgrace their nation.

Bring on the pictures. I'm not afraid of them. Compare and contrast them with the tens of thousands of Moslem burning our flags, burning effigies of our President, and who have already dragged our soldiers bodies in the streets. Bring it on Phil, take your place by their side!

5 posted on 10/25/2001 7:50:01 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Phil V.
If these morons had multiple passports, why assume they are really Israelis? The best possible disguise for an Arab terrorist in the U.S. would be an Israeli passport! Duh!

Of course, the good news is, we get to deport them to Israel! An American maximum security jail is going to seem like Disneyland to these clowns in a few days. We will know soon enough what they were up to.

6 posted on 10/25/2001 7:53:32 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers
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To: Int
As opposed to the Palestinian authority which censored a much more numerous display of glee on the occasion, the Jerusalem Post exposes warts and all as allowed in a democratic society. Further whereas some 80% of palestinians look to Bin Laden as a freedom fighter I would believe that the actions of these 5, would render them pariahs in Israel, with no defence of moral equivalence.
7 posted on 10/25/2001 7:55:44 PM PDT by righto
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To: Phil V.
I do not know even one American who was smiling that day - much less having their picture taken smiling! This is pure B S
8 posted on 10/25/2001 8:00:46 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: righto
The JPost only reported it now that they are free. It was Haaretz that reported while there was still some doubt if they were involved in any way.
9 posted on 10/25/2001 8:04:07 PM PDT by Int
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To: Phil V.
Gordon said the plight of the five, who were almost immediately cleared by authorities....

Gee what a scoop! Hubba hubba...cleared of all charges except some minor whosamcallit.

So....boring....falling asleep. Yawn....

10 posted on 10/25/2001 8:04:20 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Phil V.
Independent moving companies take payment C.O.D. No checks, Visa or Mastercard. They do this in order to avoid interstate commerce, tax laws, and sundry and divers immigration violations.

So it looks like these guys were committing a variety of misdemeanors as well as immigration fraud and tax evasion. Oh well. At least they let 'em out of the dungeon.

11 posted on 10/25/2001 8:14:52 PM PDT by Dont Mess With US
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To: ladyjane
This is pure B S

By that do you mean that the Jerusalem Post report is inaccurate, or are you saying that the police were lying regarding the nature of the photos? Or are you saying that anyone smiling with the towers in the background are dizguzting SOBs?

12 posted on 10/25/2001 8:18:08 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: a_witness
Bring it on Phil, take your place by their side!

All who smiled on that day should burn in Hell.

13 posted on 10/25/2001 8:22:04 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
"However, after ascertaining almost immediately that they had no involvement, it is just unconscionable that they have been denied bail and the government is deporting them," he said.

Ridiculous. You don't grant bail to someone you've decided to DEPORT, they stay in jail til they're hauled off to Departing Flights. I can't picture the lawyer actually SAYING this.

14 posted on 10/25/2001 8:24:37 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Phil V.
If you support the real Islamic Terrorists who are trying to murder millions of our citizens you are at war with US. Phil, I think you simply want to use these unwashed Israeli opportunists in a crude attempt at moral equivalency to aid and comfort our enemies. After Sept. 11th almost no one on FR is going to buy the tickets you're selling.
15 posted on 10/25/2001 8:26:27 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Phil V.
All who smiled on that day should burn in Hell.

So you agree that the United States and its allies should wage total war against Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, and any other moderate Moslem nation that supports the terrorist organizations.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 8:30:43 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Dont Mess With US
For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food."

Is the FBI involved in some sadistic s/m practices, or is this the product of an overactive imagination

17 posted on 10/25/2001 8:30:53 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: Phil V.
"Each time Freepers post pictures of smiling Palestinians they should also post pictures of smiling Israelis."

Are you really serious? Do you know that eye-witness testimony is considered to be the worst possible evidence. That's because people see what they want to see. After the attacks, many people were very paranoid (and rightfully so) seeing a few middle eastern looking men speaking a foreign language rightfully raised their suspicion, who knows if they were really smiling (I doubt the eyewitnesses saw them from that close, had they been dancing and singing that would be a different matter).

Regardless you can draw no parallel between a few Israelis who may or may not have been smiling after the attacks, to tens of thousands of danicing Muslims
19 posted on 10/25/2001 8:39:11 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: The Documentary Lady
Phil wrote:
All who smiled on that day should burn in Hell.

You wrote to agree with something else he wrote. So I ask you, So you agree that the United States and its allies should wage total war against Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, and any other moderate Moslem nation that supports the terrorist organizations?

20 posted on 10/25/2001 8:40:54 PM PDT by a_witness
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