Posted on 07/02/2019 11:49:15 PM PDT by robowombat
Thanks TN.
Yes, the media would find kooks to articulate the "He was born in Kenya" nonsense, but this was an effort by the media to misinform the public.
The issue of what "Natural born citizen" meant in 1787 was a serious one, and the question of where precisely Obama was born was also a reasonable question, especially with Hawaii refusing to provide any evidence on the matter.
My own personal favorite is the pages and pages that argue that Minor v. Happersett settled the question. Minor was a case about sufferage, it had nothing to do with the “natural born citizen” clause. Moreover, The Court held that denying women the vote was perfectly Constitutional. Real legal minds at work here.
The Courts will never take up the real question. The reason, they don't care. They think that it is an 18th Century issue that is now moot. Citizens can be divided into two classes: those who received their citizenship when they were born and those who had to petition for citizenship through the naturalization and someone can argue that the latter class is not eligible to be President. All the other permutations will be ignored.
The real issue and something that is worth doing is to resolve the meaning of the 14th Amendment as it applies to the so called Anchor babies. Anchor babies are probably not mandated by the 14th Amendment and a statute eliminating the practice could probably stand Constitutional scrutiny. Strange that the birthers seldom talk about that one.
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I spent several years researching this, and I believe I can now accurately claim to know what this term meant to the founders. I also have some proof to support this claim.
I can also show where in history the original understanding was derailed, and I can show why it was derailed, and I can show who was primarily responsible for derailing it.
The Courts will never take up the real question. The reason, they don't care. They think that it is an 18th Century issue that is now moot.
And here I absolutely agree with you. The Courts don't care, and cannot be made to care.
The real issue and something that is worth doing is to resolve the meaning of the 14th Amendment as it applies to the so called Anchor babies.
John Bingham, the primary author of the 14th amendment, has made several statements in the debates in congress that clarify quite well that "Anchor Babies" was not a correct interpretation of the 14th amendment. My tagline is an example of one of his quotes on the topic, but he made several other statements that demonstrate quite conclusively that there never was any intent to give citizenship to the children of foreign aliens that are born in the USA.
Strange that the birthers seldom talk about that one.
To the contrary. I have written about it excessively. You probably just missed it. Perhaps you were avoiding the birther threads or something.
I constantly quoted and linked both Ann Coulter (who opposed the birthers) and George Will (who also opposed the birthers) to demonstrate how they suffered serious cognitive dissonance on the matter.
They understood the concept when it applied to "Anchor babies", but absolutely rejected the same concept as applied to "natural born citizen."
Here is George Will on the subject
And here is Ann Coulter's thinking on the very same subject.
There’s stellar logic at work as you pejorize and ridicule people who merely requested to be presented with Barry’s authentic LFBC!
That was apparently too much to ask of Barry, who made a big TV to-do in putting forth a forgery, nonetheless authenticated at the hands of three or more (former? (Ha!)) CIA assets. *POOF!* there go the last vestiges of any credibility with regard to an NBC claim for Barry. If Barry had any semblance of a defensible birth certificate to support even the flimsiest NBC claim, that would surely have been presented. Instead, he presented the known, easily proved forgery!
So, pretending that the necessary task is to properly delineate the minutiae of Happersett, etc. is a disingenuous distraction. Barry has presented to the American people (and multiple Secretaries of State) false paperwork in a mendacious ploy to pretend he was eligible to be president.
That usurpation deserves prosecution to the maximum extent allowed by law!
I’ve noticed that you aren’t very active on this forum, perhaps that explains why your handle does not appear any of Jim’s lists of donors. Quite the conservative, indeed.
I’m a regular who’s donated $1000+ to FR, which most regulars around here are sure to recognize. I’ve been a member since the Whitewater Files, well before 1998, at which time Jim caused a re-registration. I’ve met Jim over 20 years ago, too, for whatever that might be worth.
I’ve got an FR jacket with my handle stiched into it. You? How for FR have you shown yourself to be?
Your crticism of me here and on that other recent thread has been very much off-the-mark, which seems a consistency with your comebacks. That is, you repeatedly avoid the substance of the commentary. So, how about you start dealing with the substance of my critiques of your comments? I’ve put important stuff in them.
Very good comments. I think that I have read most of your posts over the years, I have been observing and participating since 2008. I guess that I don’t consider you a birther. I don’t agree with your views on some points, but your arguments have been logic and reasoned.
The real battlefield, in my mind, is the point that you made about the original intent of the 14th Amendment vis a vis Anchor Babies. The rest will do nothing but advance Kamala Harris prospects.
Well thank you. Sometimes I think I write too much, and it's good to see that some people occasionally appreciate what I do write.
The real battlefield, in my mind, is the point that you made about the original intent of the 14th Amendment vis a vis Anchor Babies. The rest will do nothing but advance Kamala Harris prospects.
As much as I don't like it, there is no going back to original intent on "natural born citizen". If the issue couldn't have been advanced with Obama, it cannot be advanced at all. I still think it's an interesting story as to how we came to the place we are. It took me awhile to puzzle it out, and I finally realized what happened. Slavery was how "natural born citizen" was redefined, or more correctly, opposition to slavery.
Anyway, at this point i'm betting that Biden will get the nomination, and Kamala Harris will be his Veep.
Barring some unmitigated disaster, Trump will make mincemeat out of them.
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