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I don't have an answer.... do you?
II / XVIII / MMXII | pansgold

Posted on 02/18/2012 10:24:26 PM PST by pansgold

Pfc. Douglas J. Jeffries Jr. – 20 Springville, CA – 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division One of two soldiers killed when enemy forces attacked their unit with a roadside bomb in Kandahar, Afghanistan, on September 8, 2011

I spoke with Doug's grandfather Steve Jeffries today at a local gas station and he asked me why a singer that died from a drug overdose rated flags lowered to half-staff statewide when all his grandson got was flags lowered to half-staff in Tulare county by order of the Board of Supervisors.

Good question but I don't have an answer, do you?

pansgold Springville, CA


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KEYWORDS: douglas; jeffries; kia; steve

1 posted on 02/18/2012 10:24:35 PM PST by pansgold
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To: pansgold

Because somebody was trying to score points with a specific community for personal gain.

A soldier that dies doesn’t give vested individuals the same personal gain.

It’s about that simple.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 10:27:31 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: pansgold

It’s all about publicity, and pandering for votes. Nothing more, nothing less.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 10:29:24 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Jonty30

It’s enema time again this November.

Change I (RPT) I can believe in.


4 posted on 02/18/2012 10:31:54 PM PST by pansgold
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To: pansgold
Because some people are so addled by insecurity they believe it is virtuous to befriend and cater to liberals.

5 posted on 02/18/2012 10:41:26 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: pansgold

Because it is the Governor’s prerogative to give the honor where and when he so chooses. If you don’t like the Governors choices, replace the Governor.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 10:44:04 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: pansgold

The sad reality, beyond the glamorization of stardom, drug use, Hollywood and trying to live vicariously through the lives of famous(and minimally talented) people, most Americans simply have no freaking clue as to what “Duty, Honor Country’’ means and the fortitude , patriotism, courage and love for America in our young people and the willingness to die for her means. As far as I’m concerned a fat f**king RINO slob like the governor of my state, Chris Christie isn’t fit enough to urinated on by the likes of this mans grandson.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 10:45:53 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: pansgold

Because in our world turned upside-down, “heroic” has been redefined.


8 posted on 02/18/2012 10:48:31 PM PST by Ackackadack
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To: pansgold

Christie just lost a lot of my respect.


9 posted on 02/18/2012 10:50:42 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: pansgold

You’re telling me the whole state of CA lowered to 1/2 mast today?


10 posted on 02/18/2012 10:53:29 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: pansgold
That is not at all difficult to answer. It is the same reason a key athlete whose claim to fame is the ability to dunk a basketball better than most of his peers in the NBA can make several orders of magnitude of income in one year than a teacher, a fireman, or a police officer can make in a lifetime. Basically, like any commodity, product or service, has a price point (whether price is measured using money, 'worth,' merit, cowrie shells, adoration, etc) that is based on an amorphous mix of fundamentals (eg overhang of supply over demand) and perception (the willingness for people to pay more for a Mercedes C Class over a Hyundai Equus when the Hyundai is actually much better). Fundamentals and perception. The NBA player who is first in the league is thus taken as being more 'valuable' than a school teacher, even when accused of anally raping hotel staff. A teacher who is first among equals is simply seen as 'just another teacher,' and the value of the teacher is only recognized by a very select few (maybe the parents of a child who started excelling due to the teacher's adeptness at transmitting knowledge and building passion for learnig). Same thing for cops and firemen when compared to actors and icehockey players. A good icehockey player is seen as vastly 'worth more' than a hero cop.

Which brings me to the brave soldier who laid down his life for his country and countrymen. His worth is seen immensely by his family. By his community, both at home and in the armed forces. Seen also by patriots at large. However, for the vast majority of people, he was 'just another soldier felled in battle.' Most people do not see the supreme sacrifice made, and they don't care. Yet the same people care about Whitney, or Lady Gaga, or the latest from American Idol. It is just an extrapolation of the worth given to an actor compared to that given to a teacher or cop or fireman ...or soldier/sailor/corpsman.

People subscribe little value to very important things that seem to be in abundance, and a lot of value to things of lesser merit when they seem to be scarce. Perception. Which is why Lady Gaga can make more than any doctor - or a whole hospital of them for that matter.

The answer is this - not enough value was placed on the brave man's sacrifice compared to the value placed on a singer. People see soldiers as expendable, in much the same way most people see their days as expendable rather than the priceless gifts from God that they are.

I think the man was not expendable, and his worth can be measured by the heartbeats of those alive be because he fought for them. Unfortunately I am in the minority, and chances are as a foreigner I value that soldier more than most Americans.

11 posted on 02/18/2012 11:02:52 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: pansgold
Good question but I don't have an answer, do you?

They're gonna' milk this drug addict's death for all it's worth. To see the carrying on yesterday at the funeral for this screechy-screaming needle pincushion was disgusting. And, just for laughs, it happened during Black Phony History month, so that'll give it a few more pages.

I'm sure they canonized this junkie into sainthood so she'll have schools named after her: Saint Whitney. The only thing I remember about her is how she totally and completely destroyed one of the nicest love songs sung by Dolly Parton. She turned it into a scream-amd-hold-a-note fest. And people talk about that song destruction like it was a monumental thing.

I hate to see anyone die, but too bad she was so stinking selfish to do this and not give a fig about her daughter. How totally selfish.

12 posted on 02/18/2012 11:10:31 PM PST by laweeks
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To: pansgold

During WWII,on any given day, there could be hundreds or thousands of our fighting men killed, and news reports of such occurrences might come days or weeks after the fact, in some instances not until the war was over. About two thousand were lost in an amphibious landing practice exercise in prep. for Normandy landings, not made publicly know until much later, and surely there were other like tragic mass losses, accidentally in training and also in mortal combat. On the home front people sucked it up and kept on working. Having experienced those times as a home front teen-ager (enlisted in Navy late in war, Dec. ‘44), I cannot comprehend half-masting Old Glory for each and every combat zone KIA, or how we as a people came to expect it.


13 posted on 02/18/2012 11:11:03 PM PST by Elsiejay (in)
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To: pansgold

Yes I have an answer.
Our society values fame/celebrity (even that of a drug addict) over honor/duty


14 posted on 02/18/2012 11:11:40 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Mariner

Nope but the Gov of N.J. did. Here in Calistan the lib Gov. Fast Eddie Brown Jr. posted this tribute.

http://gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=17209

“9-12-2011

SACRAMENTO – On behalf of all Californians, Governor Brown and First Lady Anne Gust Brown honor Pfc. Douglas J. Jeffries Jr., who bravely gave his life in service to our state and nation. The Governor and First Lady extend their deepest condolences to his family and friends at this difficult time.

In memorial, Governor Brown ordered that flags be flown at half-staff over the State Capitol today. Pfc. Jeffries’s family will receive a letter of condolence from the Governor.

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Pfc. Douglas J. Jeffries Jr., 20, of Springville, CA, died of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device September 8 in Kandahar, Afghanistan. He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, NY. Jeffries was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.”

... and FYI the county only lowered flags at COUNTY OFFICES and state and federal didn’t.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 11:16:00 PM PST by pansgold
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To: Mariner

Not the whole state. I didn’t. Screw that drug addicted worthless woman. The only time I lower to half mast is when military personnel from the area die for their country. If Houston wants to kill herself, that’s her business. If everyone who was mourning her loss today at least tried to help her, it may be different. Everyone, but the family members attending the funeral are just two faced pieces of fecal matter just like she was.


16 posted on 02/18/2012 11:23:31 PM PST by Nitehawk0325 (Conservatives over liberals every time. No discussion, no argument, no liberals)
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To: pansgold

Because a disturbingly large portion of our nation has a very screwed up view of the world.

But a good sized portion does not. If there were not a decent remnant, no one would be making anything of this incident. The fact that it is a controversy shows that this nation is still alive.


17 posted on 02/18/2012 11:27:00 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: pansgold

I don’t care about the position of these flags. My respect for these young men far surpasses any such superficial transitory such offerings. They have laid the utmost sacred of offerings upon the altUR of freedom (QUOTE). http://www.bartleby.com/43/38.html

May God bless and receive their precious souls.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 11:36:36 PM PST by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
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To: pansgold

Because life isn’t fair, which is proven daily by the government.


19 posted on 02/19/2012 12:39:17 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: taxcontrol

“Because it is the Governor’s prerogative to give the honor where and when he so chooses. If you don’t like the Governors choices, replace the Governor.”

Maybe so, but it’s offensive, off-putting, and downright insulting.

I hope the governor isn’t replaced because he received a better offer from the RNC.


20 posted on 02/19/2012 12:46:18 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: pansgold

Don’t worry. Christie’s going to lower them when Snookie dies, too.


21 posted on 02/19/2012 4:24:11 AM PST by mommyq
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To: taxcontrol
Because it is the Governor’s prerogative to give the honor where and when he so chooses.

Not according to the U.S. Flag Code:

By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia.

22 posted on 02/19/2012 5:01:16 AM PST by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: pansgold

Cassius Clay turned his back on his family, his religion, his country, and three wives, and he’s a hero. Go figure.


23 posted on 02/19/2012 5:21:25 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Jonty30
Because somebody was trying to score points with a specific community for personal gain.

And he shows up at the funeral to prove your point.

24 posted on 02/19/2012 5:39:16 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (Still a contributing Republican? Why?)
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To: pansgold

This whole thing about allowing governors of states to lower the American flag to half mast needs to stop. The American flag is the NATIONAL emblem. It should only be lowered when the NATION morns, like the death of a loved president.

If a state governor thinks his state is in mourning, then lower the state flag to half mast. This whole thing in Wisconsin of having the governor lowering the American flag to half mast when a Wisconsin soldier dies was begun under a Democrat gov in an effort to get the citizens riled up against Bush.

In America, every day there are people from the ‘greatest generation’ who fought World War II who are dying. Maybe we should just leave the American flag at half mast for them, too. That makes more sense to me, because every day, when I look at the GOP or Obama and how America is being run into the ground, I go into mourning.


25 posted on 02/19/2012 6:06:31 AM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: pansgold
When enough folks get tired of all of this, several individuals are ready to make some REAL changes in this country. I am one of them, but not the only one. It is a matter of getting enough support to get the job done. And, we have to suspend Democratic government for the time being.

Agenda

1. Expulsion from nation by force of all non-Bible-based religions (no exceptions, no compromise on this issue). Allow individuals involved to sell assets (within 90 days) and then leave.
2. Reestablish strict discipline and performance standards in all public schools. Students will perform to certain standards no matter what. Special needs students will have special needs goals to attain. Any school administrators or teachers who disagree will no longer be employed. Parents disagreeing will be severely punished and then students who refuse to follow guidelines and standards will also be severely punished. Those meeting standards and especially those exceeding standards will be rewarded to the degree that they perform.
3. Any business people or politicians/government officials who set an example of dishonesty/fraud/etc. will be tried and executed.
4. Strict immigration control and massive deportations of all illegal aliens who will be allowed to sell assets prior to departure(90 days) will begin immediately. All remaining adult citizens will be required to pledge allegiance to country and sign contract to that effect. This country is not "Little Mexico", "Little India", China Town, etc. -- It is the United States of America.
5. One language will be instituted as the language of commerce, education, life and living - English (and I'm bilingual). This will draw the nation together on that plane.
6. All drug dealers will be tried, and with proof of having been involved in drug trafficking, summarily executed, even those now in prison. All drug users will have a one year period to completely solve their addiction issues or face trial and execution. Anyone bringing drugs into this country no matter what amount will be tried and executed.
7. Anyone in the world who attacks and/or kills Americans without cause will be shown to be an example of what you do not ever want to do again.
8. Lawyers -- Extensive tort reform will become the established operating procedure. One can only go to court to request actual damages for wrongs. No more multi-million awards. No more lawyers establishing procedure for society instead of real core values establishing procedure. Lawyers will take care of business necessary, not just to excessively enrich themselves.

This is just the beginning. Now, to those who want to get into an argument, "Talk to the hand." If you are not ready for massive change back to our core values, then quit complaining about what's happening. Realistically, you can not have change in one small facet of life and not expect multiple facets to face massive change as well. The problem in the nation are the core values, not any one single issue.

Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

26 posted on 02/19/2012 6:17:17 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I wasn’t aware that blood-and-steel fascism is, or ever was, a core value in America.


27 posted on 02/19/2012 6:21:29 AM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: pansgold

Why not just lower the flags in Newark?


28 posted on 02/19/2012 6:24:13 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: Oceander

May about to become one. No apologies. No further argument. And, what is the average lifespan of a democracy anyway?


29 posted on 02/19/2012 6:24:52 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Is it worth becoming precisely what one claims to abhor?


30 posted on 02/20/2012 5:03:32 AM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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