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To: fortheDeclaration
There is no reason why a sovereign God could not choose to allow His rational creatures to make a choice either for or against Him.

There is every reason to believe that He does not. You have yet, Ed, to explain to me why one person believes and another does not. You argue continually for equal opportunity for all men when such a thing CLEARLY DOES NOT EXIST! Men die every day having never heard the Gospel, yet you say they are justly condemned for making a choice they were never presented with in the first place. You believe in a God who is active in the world, yet He could not be for fear of affecting someone's 'free decision' for or against Him. You decry the 'secret will fo God' while proclaiming and praising the secret will of man. You deny the Lord and Creator of All the very autonomy that you grant His creation: the ability to do as He pleases.

If things operate as you say, then Satan will be laughing and bragging all the way to the Lake because he will have shown himself much more attractive and able to garner praise than the Lord Himself.

15 posted on 08/16/2003 9:19:28 AM PDT by Frumanchu (mene mene tekel upharsin)
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To: Frumanchu
There is no reason why a sovereign God could not choose to allow His rational creatures to make a choice either for or against Him. There is every reason to believe that He does not.

There is?

I have yet to see any Biblical evidence of it.

You have yet, Ed, to explain to me why one person believes and another does not.

I told you that some men fear God and others do not.

That 'fear' of God leads men to respond to the Revelation given to him (Psa.19, Rom.1) and to respond to God's Gospel message.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and is common sense which God has given to all men.

Now, you give me an objective reason why someone is saved in your system?

You argue continually for equal opportunity for all men when such a thing CLEARLY DOES NOT EXIST! Men die every day having never heard the Gospel, yet you say they are justly condemned for making a choice they were never presented with in the first place. You believe in a God who is active in the world, yet He could not be for fear of affecting someone's 'free decision' for or against Him. You decry the 'secret will fo God' while proclaiming and praising the secret will of man. You deny the Lord and Creator of All the very autonomy that you grant His creation: the ability to do as He pleases.

Could you please shorten the rhetoric?

God does reveal Himself to all men (Psa.19, Rom.1) and on the basis of that response, further revelation is then given.

God is only responsible for giving mankind enough revelation to make a decision, which is what fairness dictates.

Those who received less revelation will be judged for the little they received and those who received more, for the more they had to reject (like the Jew-Rom.2)

God is fair, and wants all men to be saved and has given every man to come to him if mankind responds to the initial revelation given by God to him.

In fact, God commands all men to repent (Acts.17:30)

If things operate as you say, then Satan will be laughing and bragging all the way to the Lake because he will have shown himself much more attractive and able to garner praise than the Lord Himself.

Yes, and that will be the one pleasure that Satan will get, from deceiving mankind.

So, I guess you never sin and choose for Satan?

You don't succumb to the temptations that Satan offers against God?

You Calvinists rail against the 'perfectionism' of the Arminians but in theory advocate the same thing.

21 posted on 08/16/2003 11:39:25 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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