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To: f.Christian
but to a Calvinist there can be no such separation

The problem that the Calvinist has is the same that the Arminian has.

You do not know for sure you are the 'elect' and thus, may not make it to the end!

In fact, the good works that you do may be itself a delusion from wrong motives.

Calvinism has no more assurance of eternal security in the practical sense, then does Arminianism.

11 posted on 08/09/2003 3:50:03 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Religion is fashionable in our age. But is it that which sprang up, after centuries of darkness, among our fathers in Europe? Is it that of apostles and prophets? Is it the calm yet thorough religion which did such great deeds in other days? Has it gone deep into the conscience? Has it filled the heart? Has it pervaded the man? Or has it left the conscience unpacified, the heart unfilled, the man unchanged, save with some external appliances of religiousness, which leaves him hollow as before? There is at this moment many an aching spirit, bitterly conscious of this hollowness. The doctrine, the profession, the good report of others, the bustle of work, will not fill the soul. God Himself must be there, with His covering righteousness, His cleansing blood, His quickening Spirit."

"Without ... this --- religion is but a shell: holy services are dull and irksome."

"Joy in God, which is the soul and essence of worship, is unknown. Sacraments, prayer-meetings, religious services, labours of charity, will not make up for the living God."

"How much of unreality there may be in the religious life of our age, it is for each individual to determine for himself, that he may not be deceived nor lose his reward."(1)

"All unreality is weakness as well as irksomeness; and the sooner that we are ... stripped of unreality --- the better, both for peace and for usefulness."

12 posted on 08/09/2003 4:17:09 AM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Hope you read the ... ninth --- chapter!
13 posted on 08/09/2003 5:00:19 AM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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