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ANATOMY OF BRAVERY: MORE ON THE CASE OF FATHER STEPHEN ZIGRANG
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | July 2003 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 07/26/2003 7:52:37 AM PDT by Land of the Irish

The brave stand taken against the Novus Ordo and in defense of Traditional Latin Mass by Father Stephen Zigrang, the pastor of Saint Andrew’s Church in Channelview, Texas, has inspired countless thousands of people around the world. His celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass in his parish on June 28 and June 29, 2003, continues to generate reaction from readers of The Remnant as well as on various websites, The Father Zigrang case has produced the largest number of letters sent to the Seattle Catholic website since the furor caused by the events leading up to the American invasion of Iraq in March of this year. Most of the letters have been very much in support of Father Zigrang.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; fiorenza; frzigrang
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1 posted on 07/26/2003 7:52:37 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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2 posted on 07/26/2003 7:54:16 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
I have a great deal of sympathy for Fr. Zigrang, but none whatsoever for the Remnant or for Droleskey with whom I am acquainted and who radicalizes more with each passing year. He is a foolish man and not to be taken seriously. Fr. Groeschel is a fine man. Opus Dei is a fine organization to the best of my knowledge. My hostility to Fiorenza knows few bounds.

Whatever makes Droleskey imagine that any Catholic would feel obligated to answer his impertinent questions? Imagine! Opus Dei counsels obedience to bishops and to the pope. So does Fr. Groeschel. How Catholic can they be in the fevered imagination of Droleskey?

If you went to high school with Droleskey, you would have thrown his books off the bus one by one every other block each and every day until he went away.

3 posted on 07/26/2003 8:46:54 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Viva Cristo Rey! . Weicker, Ahhhhhnold and other "moderate" phonies delenda est)
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To: Land of the Irish
3) Why does Bishop Fiorenza fail to act against priests and teachers in his diocese who deny articles contained in the Deposit of Faith while he takes immediate action against Father Zigrang?

This is the question. Why does the bishop zero in on this one priest and suddenly recommend that he seek psychological help? Why does the Church let heterodox priests tinker on and on and on, but when a priest wants to say the Traditional Mass, he is treated as a madman and a pariah?

4 posted on 07/26/2003 10:44:24 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Land of the Irish
Well, Father Groshell is a good man. From what I can gather, he is not hostile to the traditional rite. I attended some of his lectures and homilies, and they were all thoroughly orthodox.
5 posted on 07/26/2003 11:24:50 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: BlackElk
If you went to high school with Droleskey, you would have thrown his books off the bus one by one every other block each and every day until he went away.

This tells one a lot about somebody, but not Drolesky, I don't think.

6 posted on 07/26/2003 11:27:46 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Dajjal; BlackElk; Land of the Irish
I know personally an ex-Jesuit who now teaches Christology in a Catholic High School. He does not believe in the Divinity of Christ. He was hired with everybody knowing this. When I asked him now he handled the situation since his view contradicts Church dogma, he responded, "I give the students the information and let them make up their own minds." Yeah, sure.
7 posted on 07/26/2003 12:00:27 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: BlackElk
Oh, come on, The Remnant is no worse than the Wanderer or any other Catholic newspaper for that matter--and is often a lot better. It is a quasi-professional journalistic publication operating on a shoestring, and yet it is often astonishingly informative and thought-provoking. Now and then it falters--but most Catholic papers fail just as frequently. In other words, it's a mixed bag--but worth the few bucks a year in subscription in order to keep abreast of the traditionalist movement. Sungenis, Ferrara, Woods, et al., moreover, are no slouches in the writing department. Each is first-rate and appear regularly.
8 posted on 07/26/2003 12:09:20 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Dajjal
That IS the thousand dollar question, my friend. The answer is painful, ugly and true. Many Bishops are black-souled enemies of the Church. But their very diabolical nature makes them relatively safe here on earth, for the faithful just do not want to believe such evil has penetrated and inebriated the Holy Catholic Church. The great Pope Leo XIII saw it and told us, but we still don't want to see the truth.

The Church is filled to bursting with her own enemies.
9 posted on 07/26/2003 12:15:11 PM PDT by Thorondir
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10 posted on 07/26/2003 12:23:56 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Dajjal
Why does the bishop zero in on this one priest and suddenly recommend that he seek psychological help?

Because they really think we are crazy! We are supposed to be locked up and hidden away so no one has to deal with us.

11 posted on 07/26/2003 12:51:20 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Land of the Irish; BlackElk
With all due respect to Father Stephen Zigrang, the best solution would be to assign him to an FSSP church. Why was this option not considered?
12 posted on 07/26/2003 1:07:32 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: BlackElk
impertinent questions?
13 posted on 07/26/2003 1:25:43 PM PDT by As you well know...
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To: NYer
With all due respect to Father Stephen Zigrang, the best solution would be to assign him to an FSSP church. Why was this option not considered?

There are no FSSP Parishes in the Houston-Galveston Diocese. I only know of 3 FSSP Masses in Texas-2 in Dallas, One in Corpus Christi.

16 posted on 07/26/2003 5:39:43 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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From what I heard, another diocese in Texas, a small diocese, will get a FSSP priest soon. Since this has not been offically announced, no further details just yet, but soon.
17 posted on 07/26/2003 6:03:07 PM PDT by JNB
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To: JNB
That diocese, I believe, is about 20 miles east of Dallas.
18 posted on 07/26/2003 7:36:18 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: ultima ratio
Michael Matt does not even have the courage of his convictions. While delighting SSPX by publishing so many of their favorite writers, he complains that Archbishop Harry Flynn (well worth complaining about) is seeing to it that his indult parish will not be able to baptize his newborn in the old rite. There are two obvious answers to his problem. Move to a jurisdiction where his children CAN and WILL be baptized in the old rite, have them baptized at an SSPX facility, become a regular communicant at SSPX Masses or sit down and shut up. He has chosen none from column A, none from column B, none from Column C and none from column D. What he has chosen instead is to carp and complain and publish others who carp and complain. One of the main problems with these people is that they are all mouth and no action. I am acquainted with Ferrara and with Woods and have never heard of anyone named Sungenis. Ferrara and Woods are as fever swamp at this point as Drolesky with whom I am also acquainted.
19 posted on 07/27/2003 10:58:38 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: As you well know...
Yup, impertinent questions. Who died and left Drolesky God?
20 posted on 07/27/2003 11:00:42 AM PDT by BlackElk ( Viva Cristo Rey!)
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