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To: LiteKeeper
Isn't "Free Grace" redundant? Grace is, by definition, free.

Not according to Calvinism, that is why they call it 'sovereign' Grace.

God only gives it to who He has selected in eternity past to save.

Grace is God's mercy, rooted in His love.

Man can reject that Grace by rejecting God.

Hence, Noah found Grace in the eyes of God because Noah followed God.

4 posted on 06/30/2003 1:49:25 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Not according to Calvinism, that is why they call it 'sovereign' Grace.
God only gives it to who He has selected in eternity past to save.
Grace is God's mercy, rooted in His love.
Man can reject that Grace by rejecting God.
Hence, Noah found Grace in the eyes of God because Noah followed God.


Nothing of what you said contradicts my assertion. Grace is still "free" by definition. One can reject it, or accept it, but it is still "free." I don't pay for it, I don't earn it, God simply, and freely bestows it upon me, whether I accept it or not.
6 posted on 06/30/2003 3:35:19 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: fortheDeclaration; krb

"No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me *draws* him".

The doctrine of predestination presuposes the total depravity of man [to use Calvin's words]. Far from "destroying the peace" of those who believe it, predestination produces peace, knowing that it is God who has done everything, not God + my works. If God didn't predestinate men, then no one would be saved. Praise God that He didn't leave us to our own devices.
17 posted on 07/03/2003 11:04:13 AM PDT by John_burchett
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