[JesseShurun]

I see no distinction between Israel and the Church. We are merely, per Paul, a grafted on branch. We are not the tree.

You say God deals with us thru "dispensations". I say nonsense, He deals with us through Grace.

[Hank Kerchief]

I see no distinction between Israel and the Church. We are merely, per Paul, a grafted on branch.

Which Israel?

Rom. 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

There are those who are born "of Israel," and those who are reborn into Spiritual Israel. But, the second verse I quoted makes the difference very ambiguous. I really do believe the solution to this problem cannot be discovered in our age.

Hank

[the_doc]

Just for the record, dispensations and grace are not necessarily mutually exclusive.