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To: RnMomof7; Revelation 911; fortheDeclaration; winstonchurchill
calvin, studied for the priesthood until the prospect of power went to his head. He supported the committal of a number of atrocities in Geneva to appease Rome.

calvin = POPE CALVIN because he never gave up Augustine's idea of "the city of God" and "the city of Man." He fancied himself the "new age" pope and geneva the "new age city of God."

If anyone was the tool of romist thought it was calvin.

19 posted on 07/01/2002 1:20:36 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Xzings Arminius and Wesley were the anti reformation force...you know that !

" The "Sovereign drug, Arminianism," which said the Jesuit, "we (i.e. we Papists) have planted" in England, did indeed bid fair "to purge our Protestant Church effectually. How merrily Popery and Arminianism, at that time, danced hand in hand, may be learned from Tindal: "The churches were adorned with paintings, images, altar-pieces, & etc. and, instead of communion tables, alters were set up, and bowings to them and the sacramental elements enjoined. The predestinarian doctrines were forbid, not only to be preached, but to be printed; and the Arminian sense of the Articles was encouraged and propagated."Arminianism: The Road to Rome

21 posted on 07/01/2002 2:48:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; drstevej
"calvin, studied for the priesthood until the prospect of power went to his head. He supported the committal of a number of atrocities in Geneva to appease Rome."

Siggghhhhh!

Calvin studied for the priesthood by direct order of his father. He changed to law by the direct order of his father. (i.e. it was not his descision).

(Is this from the same logic of whence you claimed Arminius studied 'directly' under Calvin -until Calvin died when Arminius was 4 years old? x, if your going to make a statement of history, get the facts straight -check out the facts before you post!)

Jean

51 posted on 07/01/2002 7:25:27 PM PDT by Jean Chauvin
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To: xzins
He supported the committal of a number of atrocities in Geneva to appease Rome...

I get so tired of hearing lies about John Calvin. Geneva was under the control of the Citizen City Council all the time Calvin was there. Calvin himself was never even a Citizen (only becoming an official Resident the last dozen years of his life) and did not control the City Council. Indeed early on, Calvin was thrown out of Geneva by opposing parties on that Council--who in a couple years asked him back.

Michael Servatus was charged, tried and convicted by the court system under Council of Geneva, not John Calvin. Calvin did support the verdict (by any measure, modern or ancient, Roman, or Protestant Servatus was heretical)...and in 16th Century Europe universally--heresy was punished by execution. We don't agree with that today, but we are in an entirely different time. Freedom of religion was virtually an unknown concept to anyone then--even among nascent Baptists! You may as well blame John Wesley for supporting the hanging of horse thieves (ohh the barbarity!) in 18th Century England. There is no evidence that Servatus execution was to apease Rome(there were none in Geneva then...) although they too agreed that Servatus was heretical (had they wanted to apease Rome they would have just extradited him to France, where he'd been twice convicted of heresy by Rome already)...and even if it was--it was done by the Geneva City Council...a group that often differed with Calvin, and who controlled the city too.

To state that Calvin was the Pope of Geneva is just so much ignorant nonsense.

What other atrocities do you attribute to Calvin (other than honestly and fearlessly propounding the Bible as he understood it)?

147 posted on 07/10/2002 11:44:14 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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