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To: Hank Kerchief
Instead of being childish, tell me what serious questions you want anwsers to so I can apologize and try to do my best with them.

What is a "spirit body?" Does it have fingers, eyes, tongues? Is it a body, but without skin? (Yuck!) These are serious question, by the way. The Bible specifically speaks of these things, not as metaphores, belonging to people after death.

One like Christ's I would imagine. One that probably walks through walls. One that materializes and then doesn't. But the difference between Christ's and ours, is His was the original body He was born with, reanimated.
Ours will not be. Ours will be revealed (or grown in a way) at our death.

15:35 But some one will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?" 15:36 You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 15:37 And what you sow is not the body which is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.

You can say my view is wrong, but Paul calls you foolish if you think that our roting flesh will be reanimated into a body like Christs.
No. We have recieved an alltogether new one (clothed with life 2 Cor 5:4) which will shed this old sinful one at death, like a seed!

Now, if he did not have the same kind of nature as is brethren, then He was not made like them in "all things."

Christ was born of Mary, in a HUMAN FLESH AND BONE BODY! Not from ADAMS seed, but Abrahams.
Aren't you a dispensationalist?
Adams covenant, the one that was broken to usher in sin, Christ did NOT partake of that sin nature or He would have been spiritually dead as we were. But He was born by the Holy Spirit.
Abrahams covenant, the one of the promise, the one of faith, the seed, Christ was Abrahams seed (Born through Mary).

As for the nonsense about Jesus being the seed of Abraham through "faith," does that mean Jesus was "born again" into family of Abraham like we are? And why would Jesus need to be born again?

No, it means He was born of Mary, not Joseph. He was born of the Holy Spirit, not Joseph. He was divine, not spiritually dead, as we. He was LIKE his brethren, but not of the sin nature, or He would have needed to be born again

I'm sorry if I have offended you. I believe you are sincere, and truly seeking the truth, but I fear that your heart has been moved from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Cor. 11:3) You do admit that you "system" is not exactly simple, and requires quite a bit of explanation, don't you? You have been doing a lot of explaining.

I appreciate the grace shown inn the remainder of your post.

I am not a scholar, not vey old, and not very complex in my mind. Once I came to the belief of Christ's return in AD 70. All this became very simple to me. I do not use study guides, notes or anything, but many of my friends who believe CHrist returned, as I do, agree on these principles without having to debate them. It seems to have a clarity of a message once we relized our place in the history of man. The redeemed of the ages, after the return.

May the Lord bless and keep you.
I hope we can continue discussions civily as I believe we have maintained so far.

Nate
23 posted on 04/12/2002 5:45:00 AM PDT by nate4one
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To: nate4one
You can say my view is wrong, but Paul calls you foolish if you think that our roting flesh will be reanimated into a body like Christs. No. We have recieved an alltogether new one (clothed with life 2 Cor 5:4) which will shed this old sinful one at death, like a seed!

I just have one question. When you say, "which will shed this old sinful one," do you mean the "body."

If you do, do you ascribe sin to a substance rather than to choices and actions, neither of which the body is capable of?

Hank

24 posted on 04/12/2002 8:26:13 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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