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To: nate4one
13 In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. If we are in the same waiting stage that Paul was in, only for us, we have to die first, then we DO NOT HAVE A BETTER COVENANT!!

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Here is where Paul stops quoting prophecy and adds his comment. The "new covenant" he is speaking of is the one in effect as he speaks, he is simply interpreting prophecy, not suddenly adding that this new covenant he was in then was waxing old. He is referring to the passing of the ancient Jewish covenant which was crippled and about to be brought to judgement, to vanish away in AD70.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The proof of this is the very next verse in Hebrews 9, Paul continues in the same vein, describing the old covenant, what it consisted of.

Hebrews 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

He was never referring to the passing of the only new covenant then in effect as if it was somehow ready to vanish. We are in that very covenant he was speaking of.

21 posted on 04/11/2002 5:59:11 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: vmatt
He was never referring to the passing of the only new covenant then in effect as if it was somehow ready to vanish. We are in that very covenant he was speaking of

Paul was not in the New Covenant yet. Read again verse 13 of Heb 8:

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New is not in effect until the Old is gone.
I believe this because all had to be put under Christ's feet BEFORE the New would be in effect.

Heb 10:12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," 17 then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more." 18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

This is not a covenant Paul dealt with in full because there sins and misdeeds would be very much remembered at the judgment.

All was not under Christ's feet yet:
2:8 putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.

Their promise they were waiting for was life. The "further clothing" (change), or in the case of the dead, the resurrection. As I have posted numerous times.
It was only then, that death was defeated, who's sting was sin and who's power was the law. Christ had defeated it at His resurrection, but only for Himself. When He returned and the dead rose, and the alive "changed", then it was defeated for all men, for all time. And only then, at the total defeat (for all) of the law and sin and death, was the New Covenant in effect. 1 Cor 15:26,35-37,50-56. Hebrews 2:8, Heb 8:10-13. Heb 10:13-18.
22 posted on 04/12/2002 5:18:41 AM PDT by nate4one
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