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TWISTING SCRIPTURE
Prophecy Questions Blog ^ | February 1, 2024 | Charles Meek

Posted on 03/17/2024 5:53:12 PM PDT by grumpa

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1 posted on 03/17/2024 5:53:12 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

Speaking of twisting Scripture - nothing like a Preterist to call the pot and kettle black. LOL.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

Revelation 13:11-17

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.

14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

WHO WAS THE A/C?
WHEN DID HE IMPLIMENT HIS MARK?
HOW DID HE FORCE CHINESE & MAYANS TO DO IT IN 70AD?

The Word says “ALL”.
Don’t twist Scripture “grumpa”...


2 posted on 03/17/2024 6:02:58 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: grumpa
"...knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodiesfn will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be expose
3 posted on 03/17/2024 6:05:08 PM PDT by OHelix ( )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

DAY AS A THOUSAND YEARS. This passage cannot have a literal meaning, otherwise it would be nonsense. Thus, it cannot mean that a short time really means a long time. Jesus was in the tomb three days. Does that mean he was in the tomb three thousand years, and his resurrection is still a thousand years off? Does that mean that a thousand years of Revelation 20 could mean a single day? Good grief, can God tell time? In this passage, Peter was speaking about God’s time, not human time. One cryptic passage does not negate all the dozens of easy-to-understand time statements in the New Testament. But let’s take a closer look.

The context of this statement in 2 Peter 3 is that the scoffers were reminding Peter that Jesus had promised to return in judgment in their generation, but now, about three decades later it had not yet happened. So, Peter scolds the scoffers and advised them that “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise” as they themselves were “waiting for the hastening day of the Lord” (2 Peter 3:12). So, Peter, writing in the early 60’s AD was issuing a strong warning about the soon coming destruction in AD 66-70 when Jerusalem was leveled by the Romans, the temple destroyed, and the system of temple ordinances ceased forever as the Old Covenant order was abolished. So, rather than arguing that the Fall of Jerusalem was a long time off, Peter was arguing that it would happen soon. And he was correct.

For more details about 2 Peter 3, see the article here:

https://prophecyquestions.com/2-peter-3-and-planet-destruction


4 posted on 03/17/2024 6:07:09 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

My personal understanding of scripture is the voice of God echoes throughout.


5 posted on 03/17/2024 6:07:59 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: grumpa

I believe this generation is a reference to the generation that will witness the Second Coming.

CHrist described that generation and then he said that it will be this generation that witnesses it.


6 posted on 03/17/2024 6:12:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: Jonty30

This Generation

To what time-period does the phrase “this generation” in the New Testament refer? It is used in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32) in reference to the fulfillment of end times prophecies. A straight-forward reading of the text indicates that these prophecies would be fulfilled while some hearing Jesus’ words in the first century were still alive.

To confirm that it refers to the first century contemporaries of Jesus we need only to look at the other times the phrase is used in the New Testament. Without doubt, it ALWAYS refers to those living in the first century. No other conclusion is possible without doing violence to the text. Here are all the times the phrase is used outside of the Olivet Discourse. Look up these passages for yourself:

Matthew 11:16-24; 12:38-45; 16:4; 17:17; 23:35-36; Mark 8:12; 8:38-9:1; 9:19, and Luke 7:31; 9:41; 11:29-32, 49-51; 17:25; Acts 2:40.

The certain conclusion is that the “end times” is not about the end of the physical universe, not about the end of the Christian age, and not about anything in our future. It is about the end of the Old Covenant age, which ended with the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD 70 in the generation of Jesus’ contemporaries.

For more on this, see my article entitled “When Was the Olivet Discourse Fulfilled?” here: https://prophecyquestions.com/when-was-the-olivet-discourse-fulfilled

See also, “What Is a Biblical Generation?” here:

https://prophecyquestions.com/what-is-a-biblical-generation


7 posted on 03/17/2024 6:13:50 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

” This passage cannot have a literal meaning, otherwise it would be nonsense”

Nice copy and paste response from your “handbook”.

You just called The Bible “NONSENSE”.

If this is the level of intellect you and your camp are going to stoop to in order to justify your stance, then I’ll let you guys take hits from others.

Apparently the jokes write themselves.


8 posted on 03/17/2024 6:15:33 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Raycpa

That’s what I understand too.


9 posted on 03/17/2024 6:16:43 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Jonty30

Actually, your personal opinion doesn’t count for much. It’s how the original audience would have understood a passage.


10 posted on 03/17/2024 6:16:49 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

I think I’m in good company for my understanding.
https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html


11 posted on 03/17/2024 6:18:24 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: Jonty30

The Got Questions website is dispensational, so is forced to try to make things fit that view.


12 posted on 03/17/2024 6:20:19 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

You and Roman_War_Criminal should have a debate. I think you are closer to the truth because like many, he fears being left behind from the Rapture Plane. Hal Lindsey made at least 20 million off of it.


13 posted on 03/17/2024 6:20:57 PM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: grumpa
. It's how the original audience would have understood a passage
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oh, look

another bash post.

how do you know how everyone understood it ?

were you there ?

your narcasim , arrogance and haughtiness are disgusting.

14 posted on 03/17/2024 6:25:19 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: silent majority rising

Thanks. I actually have an article about Hal Lindsey, which I posted here last week. It’s a bit long for a comment so here’s the link:

https://prophecyquestions.com/where-hal-lindsey-went-wrong/


15 posted on 03/17/2024 6:26:07 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

I think the passage is pretty clear. I don’t think a person needs to become fluent in the ancient languages to understand what is written.

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

And he told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. As soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near. So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all has taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.


16 posted on 03/17/2024 6:26:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: silent majority rising; grumpa; Admin Moderator

You should courtesy others when mentioning them in a thread - I’ll add the Moderator to this post since you broke the rules.

If Grumpa wants to continue to pretend that the Roman Empire had the AI Technology to MARK everybody in Asia, North and South America and across the rest of the world - that’s his right. Some men think they are women these days too.

You on the other hand project way too much about me.
Fact of the matter is that most of the world has no clue what The Bible says about Prophecy - that includes what passes for “Churches” and “Pastors” (bootleg) these days.

If folks would read their Bibles, and believe it - things would be a bit different.

I’ll chalk you up as just another scoffer following his own lusts & ignoring Prophecy and The Bible though - thanks for playing 😉

There are dozens of verses attributing “our days” to the “last days”. Read your Bible!

2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Jude 1:18
when they said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow after their own ungodly desires.”


17 posted on 03/17/2024 6:31:51 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: grumpa
you got a unrequited man crush on hal ?

cuz ya act like it.

ever come up with a way to weasel these 2 verses Daniel 7:21 and Matthew 16:18 into applying the same group of people. ? gonna run away from the question that proves you wrong like a abject coward and false teacher , AGAIN ?

18 posted on 03/17/2024 6:36:31 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: grumpa
it must reallllly chap your ass i can devastate and disprove your preterist demonic jew hating cult doctrine with

just

2

verses.

19 posted on 03/17/2024 6:39:43 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: cuz1961; grumpa

Notice how Preterists like Grumpa never ever ever answer the question about how the Mark was implemented in Revelation 13 back in 70 AD.

Nor who was the A/C to do it.
Nor how they managed to do it across the entire planet.

The Word says “ALL”.

Nevermind also how “all” will see the Two Witnesses dead in Jerusaelm. How is that possible without modern technology?

Preterism is such a juvenile philosophy totally void of facts.


20 posted on 03/17/2024 6:40:17 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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