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The Claim That Jesus Now Reigns Over The Nations Dishonors Our Savior
Jonathan Brentner ^ | 1/10/24 | Jonathan Brentner

Posted on 01/14/2024 10:42:48 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

The claim that Jesus is already reigning over the nations is extremely popular in churches today. Its pastors preach that Jesus is fulfilling the words of Psalms such as 2, 46, 96, and 110 at this moment.

In light of the prevalence of such beliefs, we must ask several questions. Does what we see in our world reflect the character of what we would expect from Jesus’ reign upon the earth? Is our current experience of a kingdom the one to which the New Testament says we are heirs? Does Scripture support the widespread belief that Jesus has already received the nations as His inheritance from the Father as Psalm 2:8 says will happen?

Please don’t dismiss this as a theological discussion with no significance for you. The nature of Jesus’ rule over the nations has profound implications for us. Is our current experience the promised kingdom that the New Testament says we will inherit? Or, does Jesus’ reign over the nations of the earth await a future fulfillment?

I believe we can refute the claim that Jesus now reigns over the nations on the basis of the answer to one critical question:

Does what we see in our world at this moment match what Scripture tells us about the character of the Messiah’s rule?

No, it most certainly does not.

For us as believers, this is wonderful and joyous news; it signifies that our inheritance will be spectacular and amazing.

But first, let’s examine what the Bible tells us will characterize Jesus’ future reign in fulfillment of the Messianic Psalms (i.e. 2 and many others).

JESUS WILL END ALL WARS WHEN HE REIGNS

Those who claim that Jesus now reigns over the nations by implication tell us that He now rules over a world filled with wars, violence, and unending ethnic strife. Such a belief not only contradicts what the Bible says about the character of the Savior’s realm, but also dishonors His glorious Name to no small extent.

Psalm 46 tells us that when Jesus rules over the nations, wars will no longer exist on the earth. Psalm 46:9-10 reveals that although the nations will “rage” against the Lord (v. 6), warfare will not exist in His realm:

He makes wars cease to the end of the earth;

he breaks the bow and shatters the spear;

he burns the chariots with fire.

“Be still, and know that I am God.

I will be exalted among the nations,

I will be exalted in the earth!”

Isaiah 2:4 emphasizes that Jesus’ reign over the nations will be one of absolute peace. Jesus is indeed the “Prince of Peace” and that will characterize His coming kingdom.

Be very sure that when the government rests upon the “shoulder” of the child born in Bethlehem (Isaiah 9:6), wars and ethnic violence will most certainly cease to exist upon the earth.

JESUS WILL RULE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS

During the past fifty years, the worldwide total number of children murdered via abortion exceeds one billion. Sex trafficking has a yearly income of $32 billion and is promoted by pedophiles ruling in governments around the world, including that of the U.S. The explosion of worldwide support for the vile LGBQT+ agenda is far beyond anything I could ever have imagined just a decade ago. Those demanding a Palestine state fill the streets of our world with demonstrations of murderous and demonic hatred toward the Jews.

How, by any stretch of the imagination, can one say that we are now living under the righteous rule of our Savior? Such a suggestion is absurd at best.

How is it possible that Jesus is ruling over such vile wickedness with a “rod of iron” as Psalm 2:9 tells us He will do when He inherits the nations? Does not the suggestion of this sully Jesus’ character? How could a wholly righteous King such as Jesus permit such vile wickedness and rampant bloodshed to flourish within his domain? He would not, and He will not do so when He truly reigns over the nations!

Here are a couple verses that define Jesus’ rule as righteous

Behold, a king will reign in righteousness,

and princes will rule in justice. (Isaiah 32:1)

And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord.

He shall not judge by what his eyes see,

or decide disputes by what his ears hear,

but with righteousness he shall judge the poor,

and decide with equity for the meek of the earth;

and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth,

and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked.

Righteousness shall be the belt of his waist,

and faithfulness the belt of his loins. (Isaiah 11:3-5, emphasis added)

The current condition of our world does not in any way align with the biblical descriptions of Jesus’ righteous rule. The claim that Jesus is now fulfilling the full extent of Psalm 2 is preposterous, contradicts the words of Scripture, and most certainly dishonors our Savior.

JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL IN THE WORLD WHEN JESUS REIGNS

When Jesus rules over the nations, justice will prevail throughout the entire planet. In Isaiah 32:1, the prophet states that “princes will rule in justice” during the time that Jesus is King.

Isaiah 11:1-8 tells us that when our Lord rules over the nations of the earth, He will act as a righteous judge deciding all cases truthfully and with “equity.” The words of Jeremiah 33:15 emphasize the Savior’s just rule:

In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch to spring up for David, and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.

The cries of our world for justice are heard in the screams of pain from the unborn, the suicidal grief of trafficked children, and the horrors of genocide taking place in many places in our world. Be very sure that our Lord hears these cries for justice and will someday soon administer justice through His outpouring of wrath upon this wicked (see Revelation chapters 6-18).

During Jesus’ one-thousand-year rule upon the earth, justice will surely prevail.

JESUS’ GLORY WILL FILL THE EARTH

The Bible also tells us that someday “the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea’ (Habakkuk 2:14, see also Isaiah 11:9). I think we can all agree that this is not today.

Although as believers we participate in the new covenant because of Jesus’ sacrifice on our behalf, it still awaits a greater fulfillment for Israel. Pay close attention to the words of Jeremiah 31:31-34:

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

The Lord declares in Ezekiel 36:22-38 that through the future restoration of a kingdom to Israel, He will declare His holiness to the nations so that “they will know that I am the Lord.”

When Jesus reigns, the entire world will know that He is God. Some will not like it and many will rebel at the end of His rule, but everyone on earth will both see and recognize Jesus’ great glory and power.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM ASSURES US OF ITS FUTURE REALITY The New Testament reveals that we also have a stake in Jesus’ rule upon the “throne of David” in that we are heirs to His kingdom (Romans 8:17; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 1:11-14; Colossians 1;12; James 2:5).

This assures us of two vital realities:

It’s a future experience for all who know the Savior. Heirs, by definition, do not already possess the fullness of their inheritance.

Typically, death has to occur before the inheritance becomes a reality.

Hmmm, that second point doesn’t sound like good news. However, 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 reveals that it’s an extremely welcome truth for us!

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.

Paul says that in our current form, with bodies patterned after that of Adam, we cannot take part in God’s future kingdom (see 1 Corinthians 15:47-50). It’s impossible; we cannot inherit our kingdom in our current mortal condition.

However, the over-the-top joyous reality is that when Jesus comes for us, He will make us fit for His kingdom by giving us bodies just like His. This is the exciting news that Paul also writes about in Philippians 3:20-21.

In short, what the New Testament describes as our inheritance of a kingdom will be both amazing and joyous far beyond anything we have experienced on earth. Please do not let anyone damper this wonderful expectation by saying the church is the kingdom and that Jesus is now reigning over the nations.

The news for us is beyond spectacular. Through Paul, the Lord tells us that we will experience our inheritance in incorruptible bodies that will never age, get sick, or die (1 Corinthians 15:50-55). We will reign with Jesus for a thousand years and then forevermore with immortal bodies. Wow!!

I will close with words of Isaiah 9:7 where the prophet distinctly reveals the nature of the future rule of the Christ:

Of the increase of his government and of peace

there will be no end,

on the throne of David and over his kingdom,

to establish it and to uphold it

with justice and with righteousness

from this time forth and forevermore.

The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this. (My Emphasis)

This is the kingdom to which we are heirs and will forever enjoy.

Maranatha!!


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1 posted on 01/14/2024 10:42:48 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; telescope115; Halls; Mrs.Z; ConjunctionJunction; Library Lady; patriot torch; ..

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Maranatha!


2 posted on 01/14/2024 10:44:05 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

If Jesus were reigning over the nations the United States would not be involved in wars in umpteen different countries.

If Jesus were reigning over the nations Christians would not be being expelled or murdered without consequences all over the world.

If Jesus were reigning over the nations Babies would not be murdered in the womb by the millions every year.

Only a fool would make such a claim from a pulpit in a Christian church.

The enemy of Christ reigns over the nations of men today.


3 posted on 01/14/2024 10:54:48 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
It is yet future:

The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Revelation 11:14-19)

4 posted on 01/14/2024 10:55:03 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Reviewing


5 posted on 01/14/2024 10:58:03 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

God (Jesus) has always reigned over all the kingdoms of the earth. He used Assyria to destroy Israel and Babylon to destroy Jerusalem, then destroyed each of them. He is and always will be in charge of the nations.

Jesus has made a new Covenant with Israel - but only the Israelites who accept Jesus (as Paul says) are the “true Israel” and are a part of it.

Don’t wait for Jesus to “finish” the job - He has completed His work. He is the “head” of His Church and we are His hands and feet to do His work while we are here. We need to do our job!


6 posted on 01/14/2024 11:01:33 AM PST by impactplayer
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Very interesting. Another perspective, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

CCC 668 "Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living."[549] Christ's Ascension into heaven signifies his participation, in his humanity, in God's power and authority. Jesus Christ is Lord: he possesses all power in heaven and on earth. He is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion", for the Father "has put all things under his feet."[550] Christ is Lord of the cosmos and of history. In him human history and indeed all creation are "set forth" and transcendently fulfilled.[551]

CCC 669 As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body.[552] Taken up to heaven and glorified after he had thus fully accomplished his mission, Christ dwells on earth in his Church. The redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. "The kingdom of Christ [is] already present in mystery", "on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom".[553]

CCC 670 Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at "the last hour".[554] "Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect."[555] Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.[556]

CCC 671 Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth.[557] This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover.[558] Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God."[559] That is why Christians pray, above all in the Eucharist, to hasten Christ's return by saying to him:[560] Marana tha! "Our Lord, come!"[561]

CCC 672 Before his Ascension Christ affirmed that the hour had not yet come for the glorious establishment of the messianic kingdom awaited by Israel[562] which, according to the prophets, was to bring all men the definitive order of justice, love and peace.[563] According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church[564] and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching.[565]

549 Rom 14:9.
550 Eph 1:20-22.
551 Eph 1:10; cf. 4:10; 1 Cor 15:24,27-28.
552 Cf. Eph 1:22.
553 LG [Lumen Gentium, Vatican II document] 3; 5; cf. Eph 4:11-13.
554 1 Jn 2:18; cf. 1 Pet 4:7.
555 LG 48 § 3; cf. 1 Cor 10:11.
556 Cf. Mk 16:17-18,20.
557 Lk 21:27; cf. Mt 25:31.
558 Cf. 2 Thess 2:7.
559 LG 48 § 3; cf. 2 Pet 3:13; Rom 8:19-22; 1 Cor 15:28.
560 Cf. 1 Cor 11:26; 2 Pet 3:11-12.
561 1 Cor 16:22; Rev 22:17,20.
562 Cf. Acts 1:6-7.
563 Cf. Isa 11:1-9.
564 Cf. Acts 1:8; 1 Cor 7:26; Eph 5:16; 1 Pet 4:17.
565 Cf. Mt 25:1, 13; Mk 13:33-37; 1 Jn 2:18; 4:3; 1 Tim 4:1

7 posted on 01/14/2024 11:08:34 AM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”


9 posted on 01/14/2024 1:11:36 PM PST by Theophilus (It's far easier to rig a jury than an electionhe )
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To: daniel1212

Do you think that this describes the second coming of Christ?


10 posted on 01/14/2024 10:05:39 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Matthew 28:18 (ESV): All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.


11 posted on 01/15/2024 6:22:24 AM PST by circlecity
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To: daniel1212

What’s fascinating about that warning about a third woe is it never comes.
Only 2 woes happen..

The third woe is replaced with His reign.
Like it’s cut short from 3 down to 2.


12 posted on 01/15/2024 7:03:38 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Jesus ALSO reigns over hell. He is just.


13 posted on 01/15/2024 7:06:12 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Folks,

The BIGGER and MORE PROPER question is:

Does Jesus reign over you?


14 posted on 01/15/2024 7:12:31 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: delchiante
What’s fascinating about that warning about a third woe is it never comes.
Only 2 woes happen..


The third woe includes the judgment of the dead possibly covering 1000 years.
15 posted on 01/15/2024 7:39:54 AM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0

If the 3rd woe is 1,000 years in length, as your premise suggests, then the first 2 woes could also be 1,000 years each..

And if that’s the premise one wants to go with, then the last 2,000 years could be considered two woes..

And when that time is done, His reign begins..

That would ultimately mean the last 2,000 years aka Church Age could ve relatable to two woes...

Not sure the Church Age is willing to see itself as about 2,000 years of woe, but it would mean the cutting short of time would be looked at with a more macro look..

Cutting the time from 3,000 years of ‘woe’ to 2,000 would be like cutting time short, or no flesh would be saved after another 1,000 years like these previous 2,000..


16 posted on 01/15/2024 8:18:40 AM PST by delchiante
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To: circlecity

Yes, peace reigns, lies have ceased and abortions are non-existent...

Do I need to add a /s tag?


17 posted on 01/15/2024 2:57:12 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: daniel1212; All

For all:

There are 28 Judgements to break down:

7 Seals
7 Trumpets
7 Bowls
7 Thunders (God’s Ace up His Sleeve)

One every 3 months during Daniel’s 70th week - what a horrific time to be alive for the lost.


18 posted on 01/15/2024 2:59:44 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Pontiac

I like your assessment.
I cannot tell you how many people have posted to me on FR and other blogs that they actually believe Jesus currently reigns over the nations now.

It’s ridiculous and absurd.


19 posted on 01/15/2024 3:01:54 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Yes it is absurd

I don’t know where they get this silly idea.


20 posted on 01/15/2024 3:47:12 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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