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Genesis: Bible Authors Believed it to be History
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Jonathan Sarfati

Posted on 09/24/2023 1:33:14 AM PDT by spirited irish

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To: RoosterRedux

You seem to have human nature figured out.

The only disagreement would be the reference to a small airplane.

The airplane needs to be large and noisy in order to accommodate an adequately sized banner and alert people indoors to it’s passing. On the order of three times the length of the Goodyear blimp. Takeoff could be interesting or perhaps an airborne pass to hook the banner which would be about 740 feet long.

Funding could be an issue, but now we are back to a small airplane.


41 posted on 09/24/2023 8:14:35 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: spirited irish
Ever had someone tell you, ‘You’re missing the whole point! The purpose of Genesis is to teach that God is our Creator. We should not be divisive over the small details. Genesis teaches the theological truth of “Who?” and “Why?” not about the “How?” and “When?”’ Or else they say that the Bible is a book for faith and morality, not history.

Yes. And I've read it many more times. They're idiots and hypocrites. They say Genesis is "not a textbook of science" but they believe the "new testament" is a textbook of gynecology.

A single miracle completely destroys the "uniformity of nature." But here you have people who believe everything in the "new testament" actually happened but who for some reason have this irrational NEED for the creation of the universe from nothing be a purely natural phenomenon!

However, the critic has overlooked something even more important—Genesis is written as real history. This is why the rest of the Bible treats the events, people, and time sequences as real history—not parables, poetry, or allegory.

"The critic" doesn't care. Forget him. (Too bad the author is a messy antic!)

42 posted on 09/24/2023 8:45:37 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: RoosterRedux
The creation story has to be taken the way a very complex story is told to people who have no--zero, zip, nada--basis for understanding what really happened.

Understanding the very complex story is no easy task. Leon Kass' book "The Beginning of Wisdom" was extrodinarily illuminating.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-beginning-of-wisdom-leon-r-kass/1131252277

43 posted on 09/24/2023 9:14:58 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: teppe
The Earth wasn’t even revolving around the Sun yet... so God OBVIOUSLY was NOT using a 24hr revolution of the earth of ‘Day’ It was obviously a period of creation.

Wrong. Before calling it a day, and before creating the sun, God said, “Let there be light”. The earth revolved in the light of God.

44 posted on 09/24/2023 10:23:30 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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To: RoosterRedux

Ha Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day. Read the accounts more to a mind of OG languages. Man is Adam. Ha Adam, means The Man. That is why Cain went off to other countries to find a place to live. We have no idea how long ago Creation was. The clock began when The Adam was created as the first of the people of a particular tribe of people.

The Bible has always been the story of the sons of Adam and Eve, from whose loins Christ was to come. Every other people are peripheral.

I know people won’t go for that, but tell me how there was a “Land of Nod” for Cain to go to and find a wife? It also explains the gap between human civilization being older that 5800 years.


45 posted on 09/24/2023 10:40:10 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: spirited irish

I believe that Genesis is true history. However, I believe there is an unknown amount of time between the first and second verses of chapter one, and the rest of the creation account.


46 posted on 09/24/2023 10:43:13 AM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing)
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To: grumpygresh

Christ mentioned Noah, Adam and other Old Testament figures.


47 posted on 09/24/2023 11:21:40 AM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: ShadowAce
So many people misinterpret this verse, like that cannot even read English. This is a simile. It is NOT an equivalence.

Just think some day you can chat with Peter and clear things up ... you know that bit about be NOT ignorant. Who told you Peter's intent ... Peter is not giving a first hand account and IF he is to be taken for who he is said to be, Peter was led by the Holy Spirit to clear a few things up about the 'days' of creation ...

Did you also ignore Peter describing three different heaven/earth worlds (ages).. Some will just have to wait until the 'day' of the Lord to begin.

48 posted on 09/24/2023 2:15:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: RoosterRedux

This should clear things up.🤣

Genesis 2:4
This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in “The Day” that God made earth and heaven.😇


49 posted on 09/24/2023 3:00:52 PM PDT by justme4now (Our Right's are God given and I don't need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!)
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To: justme4now
If God exists outside of time and space, how is it that he has a calendar with days on it?

Do you suppose God wears an Apple watch?;-)

50 posted on 09/24/2023 3:14:57 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Luke was a medical doctor.. nobody cares that you hate Christ. Christ was in the Garden of God called ‘the tree of life’…. Ol want-a-be Jesus was there as well, symbolically called the ‘tree of the knowledge of good and evil’. Because the serpent had gone bad and had been sentenced to death. But the accuser has many names and roles…. In Ezekiel he is called the king of Tyrus. The ol dragon is the only named entity already judged to death.
51 posted on 09/24/2023 3:17:14 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Is that supposed to be humorous?

Please explain.


52 posted on 09/24/2023 3:21:41 PM PDT by justme4now (Our Right's are God given and I don't need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!)
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To: grumpygresh
Either believe God’s word or believe that God is a liar.

There is a middle ground. It is quite possible to misunderstand what God means. Because of the very complex subject matter he is communicating to us and our lack of a foundation for understanding "eternal" things, it is hard to know when he is being literal and when he is being allegorical.

As an aside, there have been many amateur theologians who have used the old saw, "If you don't accept my literal interpretation of the Bible, you are calling God a liar."

That doesn't work.;-)

53 posted on 09/24/2023 3:26:19 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

There are those placed in the spirit of slumber…. For their own protection. No flesh is going to wake one placed in a heaven sent slumber.


54 posted on 09/24/2023 3:32:42 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: justme4now
God exists outside of our space-time continuum. For example, 2 Peter 3:8 and Isaiah 57:15 tell us that God is timeless..that he exists in eternity. He has no beginning and no end. Time, as we know it, is meaningless to him.

Time exists for humans because we have a limited amount of it.

55 posted on 09/24/2023 3:34:46 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Just mythoughts

That’s an interesting thought. Can you point me to some locations where I can read more on it?


56 posted on 09/24/2023 3:39:35 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: grumpygresh

When I said it is hard to know when God is being literal and when he is being allegorical, I should add that I believe the Holy Spirit (in prayer) brings a lot of clarity to each believer re: such confusion.


57 posted on 09/24/2023 3:44:32 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Romans 11.


58 posted on 09/24/2023 3:53:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Your post read as: “If God exists outside of time and space, how is it that he has a calendar with days on it?”

Do you suppose God wears an Apple watch?;-)

I didn’t understand the, “how is it he has a calendar with days on it?”

Obviously, man made the calendar, not God.


59 posted on 09/24/2023 4:18:50 PM PDT by justme4now (Our Right's are God given and I don't need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!)
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To: rdcbn1
If you look at cosmology, geology ask paleontology you can make a strong argument that the story of earths creation in Genesis is the only accurate depiction of the creation of the universe until about 1980 and the discovery of the Big Bang Theory which largely validates the Biblical account

Yes it does!

And that book was written 2500 years ago and the words are as true today as they were when they were first written.

60 posted on 09/24/2023 5:18:51 PM PDT by icclearly (Q)
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