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To: BipolarBob; Chicory; RoosterRedux

Are babies sinless?
Original sin?

I John 3:4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
This defines sin.
Name a baby who has lied, coveted, worshiped idols, committed adultery, etc. Babies are sinless

James 1:13-15 …But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
Are babies able to be lured, enticed > desire >sin? No!

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Children in the womb have not sinned. When they come to know good and evil and they old enough to be responsible for their choices, then they will become sinners.

Deuteronomy 24:16 “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”
This “word of God” teaches that there is no such thing as “original sin.”

These scriptures are rather straightforward.
Why don’t we just accept what the word of God teaches?
(Okay. I know. We prefer to deceive ourselves.
Rightly dividing the word of God is hard work.
After all, we all worship the same God. No problem.
Hmm! Cain and Abel worshiped the same God, didn’t they?) /sarc


104 posted on 08/16/2023 10:46:38 AM PDT by NorthStarOkie (Satan doesn't have to lie if he can confuse us about the truth.)
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To: NorthStarOkie
You seem to be confusing the disease of sin--the genetic propensity to sin--with the act of committing a sin.

Children don't pick up the disease of sin in kindergarden or elementary school. It is in their genes...in every cell of their body. Born that way, so to speak.

Blurring the 2 to make your point (which point is still unclear except that you seem to be bragging about your own understanding of Scripture and insulting that of others), makes your point, well, blurry.

111 posted on 08/16/2023 11:25:08 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: NorthStarOkie

So, you are saying that the phrase “all have sinned” means something other than every human being has sinned?


115 posted on 08/16/2023 11:38:02 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: NorthStarOkie

Original sin is simply the state we are born in as lacking the strengths God originally gave to Adam and Eve but which they lost due to choosing to disobey God. It is possibly not the best way to put it, as then we have to clarify that personal sin is when we ourselves act contrary to God’s laws, but it is the term used since the ECF, from Romans 5:18-19: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


152 posted on 08/16/2023 2:52:54 PM PDT by Chicory
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