Posted on 06/08/2023 11:04:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Again, circular argument. You are making a retroactive presumption to “prove” your argument. That’s a fallacy.
Although I’m all for praying to Jesus and the Holy Ghost to guide me.
You don’t understand truly accepting Jesus if we go by your first line of “reasoning”. I would recommend it, though.
And while we think of murder as worse than theft, or theft worse than false witness, in our judgement, sin is sin. Selfishness is the principal root of all the rest. And if you want to research it, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is actually called out as the eternal sin.
Hey, this isnt my area of expertise by any means, so believe what you want. Your 'Protestant heresy' comment makes me wonder what that belief is based on.
Christian ministers should read what the Bible says about the gay life style or are they going to rewrite the Bible to get rid of those pesky verses.
“I don’t think that is true... I don’t think anyone who goes to Judgement Day will be surprised. God has written it right into peoples’ souls to know with confidence when they are blood bought believers. I will agree that there are plenty who call themselves Christians who will go into judgement... but they knew deep down in their hearts that they never really had accepted Christ in the first place.”
No. I have someone in my circle, not blood-related but close enough, that thinks they are saved...and are quite sure they are....but they are following and believing false prophets and false teachers like Ken Copeland, Kat Kerr, Julie Green, etc. I really don’t think falling for lies from these liars in God’s name is going to get them to Heaven. I could be wrong, but don’t think so.
Women cannot be rabbis. Canceled.
Church’s started to die after being taken over by elites liberals... so of coure they’d show up on the side of people who think it’s ok to sexually mutilate children.
I have someone in my circle, not blood-related but close enough, that thinks they are saved...and are quite sure they are....
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I’ll certainly concede that there will be some who will follow false prophets... but I also suspect that if they were absolutely open and honest, they would have doubts about where they stand. You and I of course will never know the answer to that... “only God knows the heart”. However, Romans 1:20 says this... “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Am I taking the verse out of context? I don’t think so... and as a result, I’m going to interpret that phrase ‘without excuse’ as meaning that what they get told on Judgement Day won’t be a surprise.
We are talking of Faith, which itself is tautologically challenging when we derive arguments from scripture to counter arguments. Zin Girl was deriving arguments from a book and orthodoxy of faith. “The classroom rules” of logic and reason course 101 don’t necessarily apply here and only God can rule on what is “fallacy”
1 John 2:19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.”
Perhaps you would like to accuse John of uttering a logical fallacy.
Again...”1 John 2:19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Accepting that the rules of logic don’t apply well to the tautological, Magnum derived his “circular comment” from this verse.
Reason can be “reasonable” when all parties accept that Faith in God can’t be argued for or against in a material sort of way, though Faith’s fruits are often made manifest by the Spirit in observable ways thru changed behaviors and blessings, both tangible and intangible (but fully felt and experienced).
Good question, and the answers have a great possibility of riling up a lot of people across the Christian spectrum, because you have to reconcile the "once saved, always saved" crowd with the "you can lose your salvation" crowd and the "predestination" crowd.
Not an easy task.
There is a lot more involved to getting into heaven than “accepting Christ”.
The more important question is “will Christ accept you?”
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