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Bergoglio is an embarrassment for the Roman Catholic church, though he’s a reflection of the majority left wing College of Cardinals who elected him.

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From St Pope John Paul II's encyclical Evangelium Vitae, Chapter 3 Section 60:

Some people try to justify abortion by claiming that the result of conception, at least up to a certain number of days, cannot yet be considered a personal human life. But in fact, "from the time that the ovum is fertilized, a life is begun which is neither that of the father nor the mother; it is rather the life of a new human being with his own growth. It would never be made human if it were not human already. This has always been clear, and ... modern genetic science offers clear confirmation. It has demonstrated that from the first instant there is established the programme of what this living being will be: a person, this individual person with his characteristic aspects already well determined. Right from fertilization the adventure of a human life begins, and each of its capacities requires time--a rather lengthy time--to find its place and to be in a position to act". Even if the presence of a spiritual soul cannot be ascertained by empirical data, the results themselves of scientific research on the human embryo provide "a valuable indication for discerning by the use of reason a personal presence at the moment of the first appearance of a human life: how could a human individual not be a human person?".

Furthermore, what is at stake is so important that, from the standpoint of moral obligation, the mere probability that a human person is involved would suffice to justify an absolutely clear prohibition of any intervention aimed at killing a human embryo. Precisely for this reason, over and above all scientific debates and those philosophical affirmations to which the Magisterium has not expressly committed itself, the Church has always taught and continues to teach that the result of human procreation, from the first moment of its existence, must be guaranteed that unconditional respect which is morally due to the human being in his or her totality and unity as body and spirit: "The human being is to be respected and treated as a person from the moment of conception; and therefore from that same moment his rights as a person must be recognized, among which in the first place is the inviolable right of every innocent human being to life"

EV is a magisterial document by a brilliant Pope bearing the full weight of Catholic teaching. Pope Francis's off the cuff musings to a left-wing CINO magazine are irrelevant both in authoritativeness and intellectual weight.

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I once had occasion to ask an (then-) archbishop about abortion. He explained the teaching as simply NO, except where genuinely necessary to save the mother’s life.

(Which was understood to be a rare situation… not a crate Blanche for millions and millions of “emotional upset” excuses.)

Reasonable people may differ by adding a couple more possible limited exceptions — I can personally understand and respect this.

But the open free abortion policy that what we have had is unacceptable and criminal but any moral standards. Any at all. Demonic, if you will.

Any policy that fails to respect the sanctity of human life is in serious error, imho. And dangerous as all Hell

Saint JP2 and Pope Benedict, as different as they were, both respected the word of God and His basic moral teachings/ values. Say what anyone will, I cannot respect any cleric who doesn’t at least try to follow and teach core Moral principles - especially when human life is at stake.

Praying that the next pope will see his way to some position identifiably inside the field of legitimate moral teachings/ values.

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Pope Francis' utterances are NOT Doctrine!

And this one never will be because it defies Logic, Science, and Established Doctrine.