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To: Campion
We'll have to, very respectfully, disagree on this.
I, as you, not affiliated- or an Ex- , though I have read much from those who are.

That said, I think this Pope can err when he put his shoes on in the morning.
I find little he says or does that inspires me.
But I have my complete trust in God to guide the Church as he has promised-
and that requires an obedience to the Papal Good and the Bad.
(Our Lady of Sorrows emphasizes that for us.)
God has his reasons - and we are to follow.
So no, I cannot cut and run.

I agree with that from the very beginning, that the sect was born out of a rejection of Papal authority - in a "Lutheresque" manner.
They sect was NEVER sent - or commissioned- by the Church...

They can say what they want- but they have always just toyed with a forgiving nature of the Church - and danced between the lines in its application of things formal and material, canonical and non-canonical.
They absolutely do reject the Ecumenical nature of Vat2- but if you want to say they like a lot of what Vat2 called for- I would concede that then.

So, in your opinion then-
if they were indeed under the jurisdiction of the Pope- and Pope Francis decreed each SSPX Chapel would have to celebrate at least one N.O. Mass per Sunday- Do you think the sect would comply? or simply refuse, in disobedience to the Pope?

(This is completely hypothetical- though I'm curious to your opinion...
As even with aura of the Pope's disappointing TC hanging in the air- the Pope would never suggest anything so "currently" consistent as that- of the SSPX- as to cause them any distress...
because he needs to use the SSPX to create further division within the Church,
and to do what he can to reduce traditionalism- using the SSPX as an all too willing co-conspirator.)
6 posted on 09/15/2022 10:19:21 AM PDT by MurphsLaw ( "Strive for peace with all men, AND for the holiness without which NO ONE will see the Lord". Heb12)
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To: MurphsLaw
But I have my complete trust in God to guide the Church as he has promised- and that requires an obedience to the Papal Good and the Bad.

Thanks for being the perfect example of being a papalator: one who obeys and believes every thing the present present pope (heretic or not) says, commands, or changes, in contradiction to his holy predecessors.

Numerous saints, including St. Augustine and St. Thomas, have taught that an unjust law is no law at all and is not to be obeyed. I feel sorry for those who cannot "discern" an unjust law from a just law.

8 posted on 09/15/2022 3:34:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: MurphsLaw
So, in your opinion then- if they were indeed under the jurisdiction of the Pope- and Pope Francis decreed each SSPX Chapel would have to celebrate at least one N.O. Mass per Sunday- Do you think the sect would comply? or simply refuse, in disobedience to the Pope?

That's essentially what Bergoglio's U.S. hatchetman, Cupcake Cupich, demanded of the good priests of The Institute of Christ the King in Chicago. They would not obey his unjust law and as a result were kicked out of Cupcake's Archdiocese.

Is ICK a "sect" also, Murph? Is FSSP a sect? They're not celebrating the Bugnini Mess, either?

9 posted on 09/15/2022 4:01:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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Welcome to Frankenchurch!

Pope in Kazakhstan: “Man is the way for all the religions.”

10 posted on 09/15/2022 4:22:50 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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