Posted on 12/03/2021 9:37:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
RE: Jews wrote the Bible so yes they made it so they were God’s chosen people.
Are you saying that God did not tell them anything and they made the whole thing up including the gospels (all written by Jews )?
15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
They are - the key is in who is a Jew. Paul answers this question - all Christians are grafted in the Jewish tree - Jews who reject Jesus will be cut off, but can be restored to their natural place if they accept Jesus.
“Are you saying that God did not tell them anything and they made the whole thing up including the gospels (all written by Jews )?”
Why would God only pick Jews as the chosen people? If that is the case why should a non Jew follow christianity?
Shouldn’t any person who follows his teachings be one of the chosen people?
I’m surprised that 10% of Evangelicals would say that the Jews were never God’s chosen people. Does that mean that 10% of Evangelicals have never read the Bible?
It might appear to some (too many, really) that God has set aside Israel, but in reality He is not done with them, and the seven years of Tribulation will bring around a remnant of Jews to believe and be ushered into the coming Millennial reign of Christ.
It is all explained in The Word of GOD, a supernatural messaging vehicle ONLY God could write. To read it and not believe the data transfers is a silly, misguided position too many follow today as deception rises ever higher.
Is it known whether Luke was a Jew or a Gentile?
It’s true: God chose to provide the Messiah through Israel’s lineage. Jews are God’s chosen people, and because of that, all those who follow the Jewish Messiah may enjoy salvation.
“American Evangelicals persist in thinking blood heritage and a piece of real estate in the middle east are significant indicators of God’s favor.”
So much so that only a remnant shall survive, all the rest will parish.
Since most of the American Evangelicals are going the same place as most of the Jews, what do they know.
Jesus was a JEW!
The Jews were “broken off” due to their unbelief in Christ, but “if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11)
There would be no need to graff in the Jews AGAIN if they were never broken off. If the Jews can be God’s chosen and of the saved while SEPARATE and APART from Christ remaining in UNBELIEF of Christ then Christ’s death was in vain. A fleshly Jew outwardly must become a spiritual Jew inwardly (become a Christian) to be of God’s chosen (Romans 2:28-29)
He IS also God with us, God come down into our four dimensional limits well then raised from death into a greater spacetime realm, the same realm to which God has Promised to transform ALL believers in Whom He sent.
Paul makes it clear in Romans chapters 9-11 the Jews were cast off. Those Jews in Acts 2 to whom Peter preached the first recorded gospel sermon were lost, NOT OF GOD. Yet those few Jews (”remnant” as Paul calls them in Rom 11) that believed, repented and were baptized became Christians, God’s chosen and had their sins remitted (saved). All the rest of those Jews remained lost for they rejected Christ and His NT gospel in unbelief.
The OT promises made to fleshly Israel have been fulfilled.
The idea fleshly Israel is still God’s chosen comes from the non-Biblical, man made idea of Premillennialism.
RE: Does that mean that 10% of Evangelicals have never read the Bible?
IT is one thing to read the Bible, but it’s quite another thing to take it seriously enough to understand it and obey the teachings.
The question becomes “chosen for what?” I certainly believe the Jews were chosen to communicate God’s word, bring forth the Christ and demonstrate the impossibility of man earning his own salvation.
As was Judas.
Yes, God did not spare the natural branches (the Jews) because of their unbelief in Christ (1 Thess 2:14-16), hence they were broken off. While most Jews rejected Christ many Gentiles accepted Christ therefore the Gentiles were graffed in. Tough God cast off the Jews God did not make salvation impossible for the Jews for if the Jews will not abide in unbelief (if they become believing Christians) they can be graffed in AGAIN.
If you were a Jew in Jerusalem in 70 A D, you probably would not feel you were “chosen.” But, they were chosen for that.
Roman’s 2:29.
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