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To: Antoninus

You know, the victors write the history. The violence went both ways. E.G. Valens successor Theodosius persecuted and banned Arians for a change.
But, mostly, the discussions were between Church Fathers and probably quite civil. Arius himself participated in the council of Nicaea. That means, he was at least respected to get the invitation. There were even Fathers who tried to somehow find the middle ground.
Arians got it posthumously. After they disappeared, the medieval Church historians really went after them and smeared them viciously.
To this day, they are getting the bad wrap.
My main point is, Church had several major “discussions” in its history(see e.g reformation) and the losers were often portrayed as devils incarnate. Most of them were honest people, having some unorthodox views, sometimes quite obscure and in hindsight sometimes quite irrelevant.


16 posted on 04/15/2021 2:26:00 AM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: AZJeep
You know, the victors write the history.

Uggh. Please with the Howard-Zinn-style trope. If the "victors write the history" then there's no literature at all on the Confederate side of the Civil War, or the Japanese side of WWII, or the Christian side of the Crusades, or the Communist side of the Cold War. Right?

If you dig, you'll find a considerable amount written from an Arian-friendly (or at least not an overtly Arian-hostile) perspective, including the works of Eusebius Pamphilus (a vacillating semi-Arian), the history of Philostorgius, the letter of Auxentius on Wulfilas, and numerous letters written by Arius himself, Eusebius of Nicomedia, and other Arians which were preserved by their theological opponents.

I would argue that the Arians "disappeared" because they bore bad fruit and the Holy Spirit did not bless them.
17 posted on 04/15/2021 8:30:13 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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