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+++…and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.+++

But that never meant there wasn’t ever going to be battles that needed to be fought... to keep it so.....

1 posted on 10/26/2020 4:43:05 AM PDT by MurphsLaw
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To: MurphsLaw

Matthew 16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


2 posted on 10/26/2020 5:01:18 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Reverse Wickard v Filburn (1942) - and - ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: MurphsLaw; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; MamaB; ...
It seems to me not terribly productive for us lambs to speculate on whether he could be deposed and who could do it,

He cannot be, without his consent, and thus you are stuck with him just as you are with proabortion, prosodomy public figures that Rome manifestly affirms as members in life and in death

We are, however, entitled to distance ourselves from him and even to disobey him when he asks us to help him betray the duties of his high office—out of love for that very office.

But that presumes that the duty of the flock is to determine whether the judgment of the pope is correct (which RCs condemn Bible Christians for doing), vs the pope - from whom (in RC teaching) flows the power of the rest of the clergy - being the supreme judge of just what is the meaning of Catholic teaching. The only way out is to relegate the forms of teaching that Francis is condemned for to being simply personal opinions. But which means that it is a duty of the flock to determine which magisterial level each teaching falls under. Which again leads to divisions.

Instead we have the broad papal requirements to basically submit to all public papal teaching. For:

'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)

3 posted on 10/26/2020 6:28:55 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: MurphsLaw
...the papacy as instituted by Jesus Christ ...

There's yer problem.

8 posted on 10/28/2020 4:25:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw; Elsie

“papacy as instituted by Jesus Christ in existence for two millennia”

The Scripture below proves that your statement is false and leads to the dilemma that you romans are in right now.

Notice that we have a Helper and Advocate, and it is not your demon goddess, but the true Advocate the Holy Spirit of GOD that leads, guides, and teaches us. GOD also gave us His Holy Word to verify the words of leaders whether they are of GOD or of Satan, again the roman church fails again.

You will also notice that when GOD gave us the gifts, He did not give them singular such as a pope, but plural as multiple having the gifts. I do not recall Peter having any more gifts or powers than any of the other apostles to include Paul, James, Matthew, etc…

John 16:7
“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 17:17
“Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

Ephesians 4:11
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,

1 Cor 12:28
And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.

“Once again, our beloved Holy Father has put us Catholics”

I love how you romans talk about how ungodly Francis is with his homosexual promotions, but yet you still consider him as holy. ALL have sinned none are holy, NONE except our Lord Jesus Christ.

“and the Vicar of Christ.”

You did realize that the word vicar is defined as “in place of” and that is the same definition of the antichrist, right? Reminds me of Lucifer saying I want to be like GOD and here I present to you the whore of Babylon, the church of rome.


11 posted on 10/28/2020 7:57:03 PM PDT by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-11 it's that simple)
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To: MurphsLaw; daniel1212; imardmd1; Elsie; Mark17
See Jane run ... run her mouth, ignorantly. Catholic apologetics purposely conflate the Catholic ORG with the actual One True Church made up of ALL believers in Christ, known BIBLICALLY as The Body of Christ.

Why do I consider this deceit so heinous? Because it is upon this conflation deception that the Catholic religion hangs so mush of their dogma and assumed 'authority' The catholicisim religion is one of satan's most brilliant lies, him being the father of lies..

16 posted on 10/29/2020 4:58:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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