Posted on 10/24/2020 8:07:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Before sharing my differences, though, I want to share my points of affirmation.
First, I wholeheartedly agree with Pastor Piper that the foremost calling of a minister of the gospel “is to lead people to see Jesus Christ, trust his forgiveness for sins, treasure him above everything in this world, live in a way that shows his all-satisfying value, and help them make it to heaven with love and holiness.”
Second, I deeply share his concern that many American pastors have failed to develop “real, radical Christians,” Christians who will be willing to die for Jesus.
Third, I agree with Pastor Piper that our obsession with the elections and the wellbeing of America undermines the reality that we are citizens of a higher kingdom and that we are only passing through this world.
Fourth, I concur that the character flaws of our president have been very damaging. As Piper wrote, “When a leader models self-absorbed, self-exalting boastfulness, he models the most deadly behavior in the world. He points his nation to destruction. Destruction of more kinds than we can imagine.”
Fifth, I have no problem with a Christian saying he or she cannot vote for either candidate. I have always respected that view, even if it is not my own. I have a massive problem with a self-identified pro-life, pro-Bible Christian voting for Biden and the Democrats.
Sixth, I respect the humility with which Pastor Piper presents his viewpoint, making clear that he is not telling anyone else how to vote.
Seventh, I agree with him that, whatever path we take, it must enhance, not detract, from our witness for Jesus.
Readers of my book Evangelicals at the Crossroads: Will We Pass the Trump Test? will know that I have expressed many similar views as well.
That being said, I differ with Pastor Piper’s assessment of the situation and with his comparison of the personal failings of Trump with the policies of the Democratic party.
He writes, “I remain baffled that so many Christians consider the sins of unrepentant sexual immorality (porneia), unrepentant boastfulness (alazoneia), unrepentant vulgarity (aischrologia), unrepentant factiousness (dichostasiai), and the like, to be only toxic for our nation, while policies that endorse baby-killing, sex-switching, freedom-limiting, and socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly.”
He notes that the first list of sins is not only deadly in this world but also deadly forever. How, then, can Christians vote for someone who embodies the former sins (such as “unrepentant boastfulness”) in the name of fighting against the latter sins (such as abortion)?
He adds, “I think it is a drastic mistake to think that the deadly influences of a leader come only through his policies and not also through his person.”
The answer, for me, is simple.
To begin with, the political system itself is earthly and flawed, with all candidates being far from perfect. While it would be ideal for our presidents to be shining examples of morality and character, very few in our history would live up to that ideal. This is not to make excuses but rather to be realistic.
Next, it is one thing to elect a boastful, divisive leader. It is another thing to empower a party that will sanction the killing of the unborn. Or strip away religious freedoms. Or give free reign to foreign, tyrannical regimes.
When it comes to Trump, we can vote for his policies while saying, “I don’t like many of the things he does and feel his example is often very destructive. I will therefore speak out when he acts wrongly and will model something different in my own life.”
But a vote for Biden and the Democrats is a vote to empower a party that wants to impose an overtly godless agenda.
Pastor Piper writes, “I find it bewildering that Christians can be so sure that greater damage will be done by bad judges, bad laws, and bad policies than is being done by the culture-infecting spread of the gangrene of sinful self-exaltation, and boasting, and strife-stirring (eristikos).”
My response, again, is simple: Trump is one man, and as destructive as his words and conduct can be – just look at the warnings in Proverbs about foolish kings – we can vote for him by the millions while at the same time modeling godlier conduct.
On the other hand, if those with a different agenda are empowered, their policies will affect us by the millions.
Put another way, if voting for a boastful man can potentially save millions of babies’ lives, can that vote be justified? If voting for a man with a sexually immoral past can give support to persecuted minorities in China, can that vote be justified? If voting for a man who often lies and exaggerates can stop the rise of an anti-God socialism, can that vote be justified?
What we cannot do, as I have been shouting for years now, is become apologists for the president. That, without question, demeans our witness. But to say that we cannot vote for him when the stakes are so high is, in my view, to miss the larger point.
One of my evangelical colleagues wrote to me last week, saying, “The gospel witness has been destroyed, especially among the younger generations. The final straw was the support of Donald Trump by these groups. The non-believing world is appalled by the hypocrisy. The only folks who don’t see it are most of the Evangelical world.”
This is true to some extent, and it echoes Piper’s concerns.
But it fails to realize that many of the younger generations were already turned off by our affirmation of biblical values, which includes our rejection of the “pro-choice” position and our opposition to LGBTQ activism. Do we therefore compromise our views on these issues so as to avoid offense?
As to our support for Trump, we can vote for him without selling our souls for him. We can cast a ballot in his name on November 3 while shouting from the rooftops that our hope is in the Lord, not in a man or a party. We can proclaim that JESUS IS OUR SAVIOR and Trump is just our president (with giant fonts for the former and small fonts for the latter).
Finally, when it comes to listing the sins of Trump, Pastor Piper may have gone a little too far. Has Trump promoted or practiced sexual immorality since announcing his candidacy? To the contrary, hasn’t he expressed regret about some of his past actions? And does he get credit for keeping his promises and commitments in ways that few presidents in our lifetime have done?
Once again, I wholeheartedly agree with Piper’s emphasis on the gospel first (rather than “America first”).
But I wonder if future generations would understand if we explained the loss of our freedoms and the slaughter of millions of more babies by saying, “Yes, one party espoused these terrible policies. But we couldn’t vote for the man whose party opposed them because he was too boastful and divisive.”
At times like this, my counsel is simple: Be idealistic in terms of living out your own faith as a witness for the Lord. But be pragmatic when it comes to casting your vote.
This guy is a crook..he is worth 17 million...a false prophet.
Who?
God is going to start cleaning these prophets of Baal out of the Church. Their true colors are showing and you shall see their fall soon.
This is one election that we can’t sit out. We are on the verge of a anarchy. The fate of religion in society is itself on the line.
RE: This guy is a crook..he is worth 17 million...a false prophet.
Hang on. Why does someone being worth $17 million automatically make him a crook?
You can attack his logic, but before we attack him for being rich, we need evidence to find out if his wealth was ill-gotten.
At the risk of being too simplistic about all of this, my view is that we are electing people to fill positions in our secular government. We elect secular people to fill secular positions.
In short, we are voting for a president, not a pastor. We elect a president, not a rabbi, not a pope. Our criteria and views of candidates for a position would be very different, if we were seeking to hire a minister for our church.
Just posted this on another thread.
I went to Catholic grade school, high school and taught CCD for years. I left the Catholic Church for many reasons but mainly their acceptance of leftist candidates.
This is the best sermon I have ever heard defending the Catholic /Christian church and why we can’t vote for a democrat.
Staring Into the Abyss with Fr. Ed Meeks https://youtu.be/Pi1pHExl6Ug via @YouTube
I’m glad I don’t have any of Piper’s heretical books. I’d have to burn them
RE: I’m glad I don’t have any of Piper’s heretical books. I’d have to burn them
His books aren’t heretical at all. When he sticks to Christian doctrine, he is solidly grounded Biblically.
Is the above an analogy or a real incident involving Pastor Piper?
This type of “pastor” — smug, sanctimonious, utterly convinced that he’s RIGHT, anyone who doesn’t agree is WRONG — is one of the primary reasons why so many people reject God.
A few years ago, a guy I’d known forever told me, “If that’s a Christian, no wonder so many people take up devil worship”. I had never thought of it like that before.
Good response to Piper
Go to Hell, preacher.
Piper would prefer Ahab to David.
Look at that evil twisted grin. He’s for Biden.
He is a Worldly preacher as he puts profits above God..Plus if you know anything about this guy he is Left leaning and you can’t be a true Christian and follow a Leftist ideology..
UGH !!!! Does Piper read his Old Testament? Look at the Character of most of the kings of Israel.
Look at King David and his history. He did far worse than Trump has done. How about King Solomon with many wives and concubines?
And then look at our own pasts. Would any of us pass the Piper test?
A no vote is a vote for abortion supporting Biden. Piper is so wrong on this. Unfortunately he will influence many.
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