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[Barf Alert] Pope, Muslim Envoy Push Interfaith Shrine
Church Militant ^ | August 18, 2020 | Jules Gomes

Posted on 08/18/2020 1:37:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Barf Alert] Pope, Muslim Envoy Push Interfaith Shrine

Francis hypes 'Human Fraternity' as most important historical document

VATICAN CITY (ChurchMilitant.com) - Pope Francis and a top Muslim envoy have met to discuss the implementation of the pontiff's Catholic-Muslim Abu Dhabi declaration and progress made on building the proposed Abrahamic interfaith shrine.

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Twitter statement from the HCHF on the historic declaration

Two days after the meeting, HCHF announced that Pope Francis and Grand Imam of al-Azhar Ahmad al-Tayyeb had "identified the document on Human Fraternity as the most important humanitarian document in modern history."

The meeting with Judge Mohamed Abdel-Salam, secretary-general of the Higher Committee of Human Fraternity (HCHF), was not announced in the pope's official itinerary, and Vatican News did not report the meeting.

Sources told Church Militant that the July 31 meeting was held in anticipation of the first anniversary of the formation of the HCHF, which falls on the Feast of the Assumption.

The meeting is said to have focused on the work carried out over the year by the HCHF on its projects and initiatives, especially on the building of the three-faiths worship center — the Abrahamic Family House — which is expected to be built by June or July 2022.

Project: Based on Falsity

In comments to Church Militant, eminent Islamic scholar Robert Spencer explained how "the Abrahamic Family House is based on a false premise."

"In speaking of Abraham, Pope Francis probably thinks of Genesis 22:15–18, in which Abraham is rewarded for his faith and told he will become a blessing to the nations: 'by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, because you have obeyed my voice,'" Spencer said.

"But Muslims don't consider Genesis to be Scripture, or for the most part even read it. They read the Qur'an," Spencer noted.

Ahmad al-Tayyeb could not change Islamic doctrine when he signed the pact; the calls in Islamic texts for the subjugation of unbelievers remain unchallenged.Tweet

"In Sura 60, Allah says that Abraham is an 'excellent example' (uswa hasana, أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ, a term applied also to Muhammad in 33:21) for the believers when he tells his pagan family and people that 'there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless you believe in Allah and him alone' (60:4)," Spencer explained.

"The same verse goes on to say that Abraham is not an excellent example when he tells his father, 'I will pray for forgiveness for you.' Hatred is held up as exemplary; forgiveness is explicitly declared to be not exemplary," he noted.

"The Abrahamic Family House thus promotes a commonality of faith and an openness and mutuality that simply isn't present from the Islamic side," observed Spencer, author of best-selling The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

News Report: Islamic Launching Pad
 

An HCHF statement stressed that the Holy Father, during the meeting, expressed his "keenness to activate the [human fraternity] document globally" and "turn its principles into reality."

The interfaith shrine, which the pontiff is enthusiastically promoting, bundles together a mosque orientated toward Mecca, a church with its altar facing east towards the sun, and a synagogue with its podium and Torah facing Jerusalem.

The three temples will share a similar silhouette symbolizing unity but vary in their facades and interiors, with vaults for the mosque, screens for the synagogue and colonnades for the church.

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An interior view of the church
within the interfaith complex

The multifaith complex designed by Adjaye Associates under the supervision of British architect Sir David Adjaye OBE will be built on Saadiyat Island in the United Arab Emirates, not far from the new Louvre Abu Dhabi, an art and civilization museum.

The decision to build the complex was a result of Pope Francis' Abu Dhabi meeting with the Grand Imam al-Tayyeb (Sunni Islam's top religious leader) in February 2019.

No 'Security' in Abuses

Human rights organizations have highlighted systemic exploitation of migrant workers on Saadiyat Island used to build elite vanity projects.

Abuses include forced labor, employers withholding wages and benefits, failing to reimburse migrant laborers for recruiting fees, confiscating workers' passports and housing them in substandard accommodation.  

The HCHF has also stated that its goal is to "translate the principles of the document on Human Fraternity into policies, resolutions, legislative texts, educational curricula, information materials, and effect initiatives to help humanity find security, tolerance and peace."

The document "is the most important of its kind in the modern history of interfaith dialogue," it emphasized.

'Deception' Breeds 'Complacency'

But Spencer told Church Militant that "the Abu Dhabi declaration and the Higher Committee of Human Fraternity is a massive exercise in deception on the one side and wishful thinking on the other."

"Ahmad al-Tayyeb did not and could not change Islamic doctrine when he signed the pact; the calls in Islamic texts and teachings for warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers remain unchallenged," Spencer maintained.

The Abrahamic Family House promotes a commonality of faith that simply isn't present from the Islamic side.Tweet

"The declaration's statement that terrorism is a perversion of religious doctrine is false and misleading and breeds a dangerous complacency among Catholics," he said.

"The implementation of this untrue and pernicious document can only mean more trouble for the Church, as the truth about the jihad threat against Christians is further stigmatized and marginalized," Spencer warned.



TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostasy; francischism; popefrancis; syncretism
Pope Francis and Grand Imam of al-Azhar Ahmad al-Tayyeb had "identified the document on Human Fraternity as the most important humanitarian document in modern history."

Jorge and Ahmad, a couple of self-promoters.

1 posted on 08/18/2020 1:37:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 08/18/2020 1:37:46 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

There is NO CROSS in the “interfaith shrine”, focal point of the coming one-world religion. The Anti-Christ is waiting in the wings. The true church of Christ will depart soon.


3 posted on 08/18/2020 1:45:45 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: ebb tide

Pope is a Dope.


4 posted on 08/18/2020 1:46:26 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: ebb tide

I went to one of the most conservative esteemed academic seminaries in the USA. I used to have to tell people that Islam is not an Abrahamic faith or even related at all. Also the social gospel and liberation theology were not taught as heresy or heterodox. I would make a fuss over this every time it was brought up in theological context or in class notes ect...;I would question why this is even being taught as legitimate theology. I knew the answer already but it made me irate and questioning why I was even bothering with such an institution.


5 posted on 08/18/2020 2:14:53 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: ebb tide

Wasn’t this news story lifted from a Malachi Martin novel?


6 posted on 08/18/2020 2:21:02 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: ebb tide

Reminds me of the gospel story of the transfiguration. Peter says, “wouldn’t it be a great idea to build three booths — one for each of you? “ And of course that was not the right idea at all.


7 posted on 08/18/2020 2:30:40 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide

Beginnings of the church of chrislam?


8 posted on 08/18/2020 2:43:48 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (Biden's)
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To: ebb tide
"The implementation of this untrue and pernicious document can only mean more trouble for the Church, as the truth about the jihad threat against Christians is further stigmatized and marginalized," Spencer warned.

That's a problem right there , implying to Christians that Islam doesn't pose a threat to anyone who is not a Muslim.

Read The Koran, Hadiths and life of Muhammed for further clarification and edification. -Tom

9 posted on 08/18/2020 3:09:48 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: ebb tide

Creepy Francis again acting out his hatred for the West.


10 posted on 08/18/2020 3:16:56 PM PDT by Dagnabitt
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To: ebb tide

“Is the Pope Catholic?” is no longer a rhetorical question.


11 posted on 08/18/2020 3:26:09 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: ebb tide

12 posted on 08/18/2020 5:18:50 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton


13 posted on 08/18/2020 5:23:19 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
5/14/1999 - Yes, John Paul II really did kiss the Koran: The Evidence

7/01/2002 - The Catechism of the Catholic Church on Islam

14 posted on 08/18/2020 5:31:39 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
Comparing Pope John Paul II with the current Pope is foolish. JP2 embodied authentic Love..... PopeFrancis doesnt even seem to be a happy person... let alone someone who displays a genuine affection for humanity like JP2.

Now keep in mind this picture was taken before 9/11.... and the jihadi’s hadn’t gotten into gear yet. But it was taken years after The Pope was almost assassinated by a Turkish guy, who the Pope forgave, visited him in prison and asked for the early release of his would be assassin - who years later denounced the Muslim faith and converted to Catholicism. Hey let’s not forget, The guy is a little crazy to begin with...Miracles....(ok a bad try at humor for the Protestant brethren out there)

This picture was also taken after the first WTC bombing by Islamic fundamentalists, and who the masterminds were finally caught some years later, with plans that were discovered to blow up JP2 in another attempt on his life. You would think the Krakow Bishop has got to be saying “what the hell ?” by now....

Well, here’s the rub... as Pope he has to represent the appointed head- the human leader of the Bishops, and of Christ’s 2000 year old Church. He kinda has to genuinely follow those commandments Christ laid down....”Love thy neighbor as yourself”,,,, and “Love thy enemies”.... thankfully we don’t have to believe In that stuff...but the POPE MUST follow those scriptures, he has no choice!....3:17 +++ For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

And what is the ONLY way that happen’s? Through God’s Love for every soul he created.

Now if you don’t think the Muslim people saw the Love of JP2 for them when looking at that picture, for people who do not share the same faith, but the same creator, and so Showing a Love extending to all humanity as well.... then you don’t have a heart beat.. What an incredible self emptied man it takes to have that Deep of a Love for a people who reject him, and who had tried to kill him.... “For they know not what they do......“
Can you now see what is going on here?

Anyone who looks at that picture you are using to throw shade on JP2 doesn’t understand that he is not accepting Muslim tenets or devaluing Christianity..... but that he is the embodiment of what Christ wanted for us....unconditional Love... we don’t have it.... but St. John Paul II was blessed with it.

I’m sure God was pretty ok with the pic.......
15 posted on 08/18/2020 8:54:55 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw
Pope John Paul II kissed a Koran and declared:

May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who partecipated in this celebration, a memorable celebration.

He was also the first pope to ever enter a mosque, and unfortunetly, not the last one to do so.

16 posted on 08/18/2020 9:03:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
You never get my posts.....

A note from today’s Gospel about being “of” this world

Once you let go of the world in a spirit of detachment, once you remove the things of this world from your grasp and see them without distortion, you will really have them. They will appear as they are, as God intended them. They will no longer be objects for your manipulation or possession but beautiful realities in themselves.

What are you afraid of anyway ? Everything you say has an element of fear in it... Fear not....


17 posted on 08/18/2020 9:37:34 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw
You make good arguments re the NT teaching on love your enemy. But Jesus also commanded us to be peaceful as doves and wise as serpents. I have yet to read, or see, a Christian approach to evangelizing to Muslims that makes sense to me. The closest 1 have seen is the Kingdom Sat mission by Michael Youssef who is evangelizing over the internet to disaffected Muslims in the Middle East. He has said that the Muslims that Christians should target for evangelizing are the peaceful ones who practice the 5 pillars of Islam and don't follow the other violent teachings of the Qu'ran (they are the minority). Problem is how do you identify them. Yeah, I know, the Church grows from the blood of its martyrs. And Islam says that their martyrs who kill infidels are granted immediate entrance into paradise.

The Pope was responsible for the launch of the crusades and absolved those holy warriors who died in battle of their sins. Doesn't make sense to me.

I first started noting the ecumenical mixing of Christians and Muslims at the ecumenical 9/11 memorial service held in the "National Cathedral"/ Episcopal Cathedral Church of St. Peter and St. Paul in Washington, D.C. That really bothered me. Anyone with a knowledge of Islam knows that Islam's religious leaders are practicing taqiyya to fool Christian leaders. It is very troubling to me see Christian leaders host ecumenical services with Muslims.

Islam holds Christianity in utter contempt. I agree that evangelizing to Muslims is desirable, but it ain't going no where when you publicly embrace their religious leaders or their unholy text. Islam cannot be reformed. Any actions by Christian leaders showcasing Islam in a positive light is wrong.

18 posted on 08/18/2020 10:16:27 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
I love John Paul II. I know people look to find fault with him one way or another as if he is supposed to be perfect, he wasn't. But he will always be more so than those who feel so prideful they should point out what they "consider" to be his faults- and do so in an unnecessary way. That's my disclosure. I get it though, its just our human nature.

In that, for me, St. John Paul II has been the closest man in my life to resemble the Christ-life transformation in this world (in a woman, St. (Mother) Teresa of Calcutta of course.) - that Jesus wants for us to follow. We hopefully try to obtain as best we can, but at the same time we know we fail.
To deny these incredible people we have been blessed to know, is in my mind to deny Christ's mission for us. Like cutting of the branch of a tree we are sitting on. (CS)

Make no mistake - I as well deny Christ's unconditional Love as I cheered the deaths of Khomanie, Hussein, Bin Laden and take joy in the wipe out of ISIS and Solamaeni...etc. etc. I know it is OK for these evil men to be taken out... but its wrong to enjoy it and cheer for it, as we all find ourselves doing. That visceral emotion to wish bad will for others, doesn't endear us to anyone- especially Gid. That's not to say go hug a Muslim today.... but it does highlight the differences of what a total self-emptying commitment to Christ allows in us. That's what John Paul II had.

And his starting point was that ALL humans are created by God. The yoke is easy, and the burden is light- but thats the hardest thing to master.
19 posted on 08/19/2020 9:46:00 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen”)
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To: MurphsLaw
I love John Paul II. I know people look to find fault with him one way or another as if he is supposed to be perfect, he wasn't. But he will always be more so than those who feel so prideful they should point out what they "consider" to be his faults- and do so in an unnecessary way. That's my disclosure. I get it though, its just our human nature.

In the larger picture JPII was great. He, RWR and Maggie Thatcher stood up to the Soviet Bear and made it blink. Pointing out disagreements with some of his actions like the picture with the Qu'ran and essentially ignoring the child molestation crisis within the priesthood are appropriate. We all make mistakes.

Make no mistake - I as well deny Christ's unconditional Love as I cheered the deaths of Khomanie, Hussein, Bin Laden and take joy in the wipe out of ISIS and Solamaeni...etc. etc. I know it is OK for these evil men to be taken out... but its wrong to enjoy it and cheer for it, as we all find ourselves doing. That visceral emotion to wish bad will for others, doesn't endear us to anyone- especially Gid.

We are in agreement on that.

... That's not to say go hug a Muslim today.... but it does highlight the differences of what a total self-emptying commitment to Christ allows in us. That's what John Paul II had.

And I will continue to point out the inappropriateness of kissing the Qu'ran.

And his starting point was that ALL humans are created by God. The yoke is easy, and the burden is light- but thats the hardest thing to master.

And that is the point I am in disagreement with regarding the path Pope Francis is following regarding this Abrahamic faiths project. This AF business goes back to the Catholic Catechism which JPII was following when he kissed the Qu'ran. There is no way to reconcile the OT/NT with Muhammed's version in the Qu'ran.

20 posted on 08/19/2020 10:27:37 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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