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Vigano is a treasure for sure..... And I get all the liturgical abuses the council gets blamed for....big mistakes were made... But let's not be like the revisionists and paint a rosy , squeaky clean picture of the pre-1960s Church?..there were looming problems.... Not the least is the fact that the roots of the clergy sexual abuse problem began BEFORE V2, with many deviant priests being ordained in the '50s and early '60s, again without the influence of the "spirit of the Council" it only got worse as we know. And the Council itself was convened with ALL participants ordained or baptized much earlier in the modernizing 20th century....

The post-war Church was dying out in Europe.... And is on its death bed now.... The Council's needs were comprehensive in the years preceding the sexual and social revolutions of the 60s and 70s that would change the world forever, but in the end the church is administered by men given the trust from the laity. That is the failing. And lest we forget..... The pre Vat2 church would not allow for the laity to have much of a voice in Church or Vatican affairs... We were secondary, and we did not question....even if you disagreed, you did not speak against the Church... Can you imagine not having a voice in the Church today?

The Council's needs were comprehensive in the years preceding the sexual and social revolutions of the 60s and 70s that would change the world forever, but in the end the church is administered by men given the trust from the laity.

Do you know John XXIII's reason for calling for VCII?

His speech to the cardinals on January 25, 1959, mentioned two specific goals of the council: “the enlightenment, edification, and joy of the entire Christian people,” and “a renewed cordial invitation to the faithful of the separated Churches to participate with us in this feast of grace and brotherhood [sic], for which so many souls long in all parts of the world.”

The birth seed of "ecumania", "intereligous dialogue", "we adore the "god" of the muslims, etc.