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To: Morgana

The video doesn’t show the beginning. All I saw before the vid. was a still shot of the young man holding a cross in an upraised position.

I’m not joining the group saying his rights were violated.
In that one still shot, I see a rather large young man, holding a solid looking wooden cross in an upraised position.

Some might say he was brandishing a potential weapon.
He obviously was making people nervous. They didn’t know what his ultimate intentions were.
He refused to back off when requested: First Big Mistake!

None of what followed was necessary. All he had to do was
listen to their request and back off. Instead, he became more and more rowdy. More and more a problem.
What did he want? Attention? Well, he got it then, in spades.


9 posted on 01/10/2020 1:25:38 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

“I’m not joining the group saying his rights were violated.”

I believe his rights were trampled on. In a public park, meaning in public, you can go about your business. He did not initiate the physical attack. He was protesting like every American has a right to do.

Because someone doesn’t like the guy (or his message) doesn’t grant the right of the police to attack. He was not acting in a way to disrupt the “entertainment,” he was holding a cross, expressing his First Amendment rights. He was not chanting or abusing anyone.

Trespassing? Was he given a legal order? Not that I could see. I saw the guy getting assaulted and I didn’t hear anything remotely like “leave now of you are going to be trespassed.”

Again, public area, a park, and he was not attacking people or anything like that. Can’t be trespassed when not asked to leave, and if asked to leave, the police are not empowered to threaten trespass arrest. Only the person responsible for that public venue has the authority to allege trespass.

“Some might say he was brandishing a potential weapon.”

And if he was crippled and needed a cane. . .that could be “threatening” to some people.

“He obviously was making people nervous.”

Don’t care, other peoples feelings have nothing to do with this situation. Try alleging your feelings were threatened when you are in a public place. Listen to the police laughing at you being a snowflake.

“All he had to do was listen to their request and back off.”

No matter the reason, no matter what is happening, you could then be sitting in the crowd and peacefully holding a cross that “threatens people?”

And is it best to just let the police decide who can stay in a public venue?

Other’s may have a different feeling about personal freedoms, the Bill of Rights and acting as a free man.


14 posted on 01/10/2020 1:47:25 PM PST by Hulka
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To: lee martell

May your chains rest lightly.


15 posted on 01/10/2020 1:51:29 PM PST by kingpost
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To: lee martell

Solid looking cross? Looks like lathe/ furring strip cellophane taped together. Really?

Must be the message, not the material....


16 posted on 01/10/2020 1:52:00 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: lee martell

Does not show the beginning? Did you watch it all the way through? It has the cops body cam view with it as well as some bystander.


20 posted on 01/10/2020 2:03:03 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: lee martell

SDOH Social Determinants of Health. Religious symbols is an SDOH of mental illness. The ONC of CMS of HHS is proposing to share your SDOH with both public and private agendies concerned about your Mental Health.

They are trying to determine and standardize what is a SDOH.
Guess who and what type of people are defining SDOH.


23 posted on 01/10/2020 2:56:33 PM PST by spintreebob
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