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Francis: The Pope We Need
Patheos ^
| NOVEMBER 9, 2019
| MONSIGNOR ERIC BARR, STL
Posted on 11/17/2019 2:33:10 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: fproy2222; All
"Francis Derangement Syndrome began the day he said, Who am I to judge? [???] in answer to a question on homosexuality." The Holy Bible shows that G-d clearly condemns same-sex sexual relationships, Luke 17:29 and Romans 1:25-27 for example.
To: fproy2222
I am not Catholic, but this is the first pro Pope Francis I have seen.
It may be the "silo" that we pay attention to. (Which is to say, we get a skewed view of the world by seeking out and preferentially viewing what information sources we agree with.)
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:19:13 PM PST
by
Lee N. Field
("He will swallow up death forever" Isaiah 25)
To: fproy2222
It is from Patheos.
Your one stop shopping for all heresy all the time.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:20:23 PM PST
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
To: fproy2222
I’m not Catholic and find this extremely hard to read.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:20:28 PM PST
by
caver
To: caver
That is because he is using ten dollar words when five cent ones would work.
This is done for two reasons, first to confuse you as to what he is trying to say, the second is to make you feel small and stupid if you have to look up "Jansenism" to realize that he is calling them Calvinists.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:28:54 PM PST
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
“That is because he is using ten dollar words when five cent ones would work.”
Exactly!
I understand the higher level vocabulary, but I’m not impressed when there is no reason for it.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:34:14 PM PST
by
caver
To: dfwgator
Yes he did. He created an entire division of Bosnian, Albanian and Kosovar Muslims, the 13th. SS Handschar (Handsword) Division.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:38:09 PM PST
by
jmacusa
("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Which is why I hate it when the same types insert Latin jargon into an article that is meant for lay people.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:40:30 PM PST
by
LukeL
To: fproy2222
I am a Catholic, and I say this author should be ashamed of his position. Bergoglio is a false pope and should step down. I pray regularly that the Holy Spirit will cleanse His Church.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:43:16 PM PST
by
Bigg Red
(WWG1WG)
To: Jan_Sobieski
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:44:20 PM PST
by
Bigg Red
(WWG1WG)
To: jmacusa
You wrote; “Im a Catholic. And this grinning idiot of a pope ought to thrown in the Tiber. He has single handily embarked on a mission to destroy the church. His accommodation of Muslims and this recent pagan idol worship service at the Vatican were beyond insulting. It was blasphemous.”
What should be done ?
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:46:55 PM PST
by
mosesdapoet
(mosesdapoet aka L,J,Keslin posting here for the record hoping some might read and pass around)
To: LibertyWoman; JoeFromSidney
Thank you, LW, for your reasonable response. (It's refreshing).
You are 100% correct that it's the cardinals in the 2013 conclave who chose Bergoglio to be pope.
The Holy Spirit is invoked to guide the election, but He does not control it in a direct, executive manner that would either control the electors' votes or constrain the free will of the man who is elected.
It's like you prayed to marry the right man. That doesn't guarantee that you would subsequently actually listen to the Holy Spirit, nor that the Holy Spirit would turn your sweetie into a ventriloquist's dummy, always saying and doing the right thing.
But it has been a topic of hot controversy amongst talky and thinky Catholics just how much the cardinals knew about the Argentinian candidate.
Apparently in the early 2000's, Pope John Paul II made a law saying that "politicking" before, during or after a papal conclave would nullify the results of their election.
My general impression (and I'm neither a gossip nor an insider) is that the really good Cardinals tended to over-comply, to the extent that they avoided any talk about this-or-that man's faults and failings. Meanwhile the really bad cardinals, who consider themselves "above the law", were campaigning like crazy.
There are tales of the now-laicized Cardinal (now "Mr.) Ted McCarrick prowling around the Termini with fat envelopes full of euros. And McCarrick is known to have been an early, active Bergoglio supporter.
Campaign manager,so to speak.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:47:38 PM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, and anything praiseworthy-keep thinking about these things)
To: fproy2222
I'm pretty sure FReeper Catholic would consider the posted article a contemptible piece of trash.
And that's putting it politely.
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:48:56 PM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, and anything praiseworthy-keep thinking about these things)
To: LibertyWoman
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:49:48 PM PST
by
Bigg Red
(WWG1WG)
To: Mrs. Don-o
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:50:14 PM PST
by
Bigg Red
(WWG1WG)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Is there anything that can be done by the Church to remove him? Has that ever happened?
To: mosesdapoet
He should be removed by the Vatican and a new pope installed. One who gets rid of the hand clapping, guitar playing rainbow flag waving Father Flapdoodle stuff needs to go. And no to homosexuality as being ‘’normal’’ and adheres to the Gospels as they were written down and preached by Jesus Christ..
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posted on
11/17/2019 4:57:37 PM PST
by
jmacusa
("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
To: fproy2222
The critics are beginning to hit home and have an effect, so the Vatican is mounting a defense and counteroffensive. Francis continues to deconstruct the Holy Church one brick at a time.
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posted on
11/17/2019 5:12:33 PM PST
by
hinckley buzzard
(Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
To: jmacusa
Please supply a link or a reference for your allegations. I do not doubt them but want confirmation beyond being able to say I read it on the internet.
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posted on
11/17/2019 5:17:13 PM PST
by
hinckley buzzard
(Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
To: LibertyWoman
That's --- uh --- complicated. On the one hand, Canon Law says that anyone who commits a mortal sin (meaning a deliberate, serious sin you knew full well was wrong) is automatically deposed from any church office. On the other hand, you can appeal an excommunication. Since the pope is basically the court of final appeal, there's no way you can convict him, finally, under canon law, and make it stick.
Since a pope can only be judged by another pope, I reckon that would mean:
- A past pope.That could only be B16 escaping his handlers, jumping spryly over a wall in the Vatican Gardens, and finding his voice
- The present pope. Pope Francis could see the light, repent his sin, convict himself of heresy, and depose himself. That has actually happened: Pp Marcellinus, regnal years 296-304.
- A future pope. This has historic precedent, too. I'd have to check my list, but I think this happened to Pp Liberius, whose heresy was opposed by St. Athanasius; Pp Zosimus (ally of the heretic Pelagian); Pp Vigilius; Pp Boniface VI.
Best bet is probably that Bergoglio's successor convicts him posthumously of heresy and nullifies all (or, selectively, many) of his official acts.
Better yet, perhaps, would be: Christ comes again.
No matter which way it goes, it is not going to be easy. I would argue it's going to ge a lot worse before it gets better. Faithfulness in the midst of the most subtle and perplexing warfare imaginable, is going to be very difficult. But absolutely necessary.
Let us pray.
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posted on
11/17/2019 5:29:18 PM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, and anything praiseworthy-keep thinking about these things)
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