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To: ealgeone
Why did not not include what the Council of Florence actually said:
It [the Church] professes that one and the same God is the author of the old and the new Testament — that is, the law and the prophets, and the gospel — since the saints of both testaments spoke under the inspiration of the same Spirit. It accepts and venerates their books, whose titles are as follows.

Five books of Moses, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; Joshua, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, two of Paralipomenon, Esdras, Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Job, Psalms of David, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Baruch, Ezechiel, Daniel; the twelve minor prophets, namely Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi; two books of the Maccabees; the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; fourteen letters of Paul, to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, to the Galatians, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, two to the Thessalonians, to the Colossians, two to Timothy, to Titus, to Philemon, to the Hebrews; two letters of Peter, three of John, one of James, one of Jude; Acts of the Apostles; Apocalypse of John.

Hence it anathematizes the madness of the Manichees who posited two first principles, one of visible things, the other of invisible things, and said that one was the God of the new Testament, the other of the old Testament.

Like a good legalist, you are hanging your hat on a technicality. As the author of that article said: "While this may not (technically) be a dogmatic definition, it eliminates any ambiguity about whether or not the Deuterocanon is canonical." Dogmatic declarations are not used to create new dogma, only to reaffirm what is already taught. And as I have said before, the day-to-day teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium is just as infallible as the solemn declarations of the Extraordinary Magisterium. And here the Council of Florence actually lists which books the Church holds as Scripture. Can there be any doubt that the Catholic Church accepted the canonicity of the Deuterocanonical books at the Council of Florence?

The question is not when a dogmatic decree was issued, but when these books were accepted by the Church. This she did in her Ordinary Magisterium since the 4th century, or the 5th century if you want to wait for their acceptance in the East.

57 posted on 10/07/2019 3:29:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Oh, but the question IS when a dogmatic decree was issued.

Because it means Luther didn’t ‘take books out of the Bible’ if the dogmatic decree was issued after his death, which it was.


58 posted on 10/07/2019 4:16:58 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Petrosius
Why did not not include what the Council of Florence actually said:

Because it doesn't change anything. It IS NOT a dogmatic declaration of the canon as daniel1212 has already demonstrated.

Rome only dogmatically defined their canon at Trent. I don't know why Roman Catholics continue to say otherwise when the history is against them.

Dogmatic declarations are not used to create new dogma, only to reaffirm what is already taught. And as I have said before, the day-to-day teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium is just as infallible as the solemn declarations of the Extraordinary Magisterium.

In light of the current issues with your pope are you sure you want to stay with this statement?

59 posted on 10/07/2019 4:20:39 PM PDT by ealgeone
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