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To: Elsie

“Do MORMONs have to ‘work’ to be assured of entering Heaven?”

No!
Like you, we enter Heaven because Jesus Christ paid the price for us.

After getting to Heaven the Lord uses our work history to decide how much responsibility you can handle and which job you are fit to do.


14 posted on 09/07/2019 10:09:21 AM PDT by fproy2222 (MAGA; The United States of American is still the best place to live and it can become a better.)
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To: fproy2222
Like you, we enter Heaven because Jesus Christ paid the price for us.

So you publicly disavow the words of the early church leaders.


"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith] 
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him.
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation," 
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 
No man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,  vol. 8, p. 224 
 
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,  vol. 8, p. 224 
 
 


in context...



"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,  vol. 8, p. 321
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,  vol. 8, p. 224 

17 posted on 09/08/2019 4:27:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
After getting to Heaven the Lord uses our work history to decide how much responsibility you can handle and which job you are fit to do.

Which 'level' of heaven do you think YOU are going to end up on?

Celestial?

Telestial??

Terrestrial???


Joseph Fielding Smith  taught...

 

"This earth will become a celestial kingdom when it is sanctified.

Those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have to go to some other sphere which will be prepared for them.

Those who enter the telestial kingdom, likewise will have to go to some earth which is prepared for them, and there will be another place which is hell where the devil and those who are punished to go with him will dwell.

Of course, those who enter the telestial kingdom, and those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have the eternal punishment which will come to them in knowing that they might, if they had kept the commandments of the Lord, have returned to his presence as his sons and his daughters.

This will be a torment to them, and in that sense it will be hell." (Answers to Gospel Questions, v. 2, p. 210)

 


The entry in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism on "Damnation" essentially explains that the bottom two kingdoms of heaven are kingdoms of damnation:

"Just as there are varying degrees and types of salvation, coupled with eternal progression in some areas (D&C 76:96-98; 131:1-4), so are there varying degrees and types of damnation. In LDS doctrine, to be damned means to be stopped, blocked, or limited in one's progress. Individuals are damned whenever they are prevented from reaching their full potential as children of God. Damnation is falling short of what one might have enjoyed if one had received and been faithful to the whole law of the gospel. In this sense, all who do not achieve the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom are damned, even though they are saved in some degree of glory."


18 posted on 09/08/2019 4:35:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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