Posted on 08/26/2019 8:46:54 AM PDT by Morgana
In news that surprises few who have followed the sheer depravity of this man – both violent and sexual – this will not be a big surprise, but it is news. Todd Bentley is a major charismatic prophet with the New Apostolic Reformation and has a colossal ministry (especially overseas). He’s also famous from cheating on his wife during the entirety of the famous “Lakeland Revival” and doing supposed miracles by kicking and punching people. After his fall from grace due to his substance abuse and extramarital affairs, he was “restored to ministry” by the biggest names in Charismatic evangelicalism.
Todd Bentley is the hyper-charismatic faith healer who claims to have raised multiple people from the dead and claims he heals people, yet with zero evidence of such healings. He has been involved in sex scandals as long as he’s been known in the charismatic world who fell from ministry and was subsequently restored by Rick Joyner.
A man closely involved in Bentley’s ministry by the name of Stephen Powell has come forward with allegations of homosexual activity and sexual abuse at the hands of Todd Bentley. If these allegations are true, and Todd Bentley has been acting sexually inappropriate with underage teens, then the authorities should be involved in this.
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When The Holy Spirit seals the human spirit, things that make Him turn away should be alarm bells to the born again members of God's Family. If it would help, I can give you a personal note regarding beer as something I really enjoyed, the drinking of which made the Spirit turn aside from me until I asked God to remove the taste for beer from my mouth.
If I may weigh in on the topic, literally anything can be harmful to the spirit if it draws away from Christ. But it’s not the same for everyone. Alcohol for example, as we’ve discussed. But abstaining from alcohol can also draw away from Christ if teetotalism becomes more important than God’s grace.
As for worship music, it should be much the same, but not just good for us as individuals but for the congregation as a whole.
For example, I’m a big fan of symphonic metal music-avoiding the edgelord stuff that’s solely for shock value of course. If someone wrote songs of praise or worship or a story about God in that style, I might give it a listen.
The problem is that such music tends to NOT be about Christ, but about ‘cultural relevance.’ It panders to the world more than worshipping Christ.
And even if someone made a genuine worship song, I’d hesitate in using it in worship for most congregations. The attention is usually devoted to the style, not the Lord.
Worship music isn't what was being discussed. I'm being chastised for even listening to country music!! Accused of being in Satan for even listening to it (see posts #385 and #390).
“If someone wrote songs of praise or worship or a story about God in that style, I might give it a listen.”
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http://www.apologetix.com/faq/faq-detail.php?faq_q_id=89
Are some hymns just rewritten bar songs?
Legend has it that Martin Luther and John & Charles Wesley (of the Methodist Church) rewrote popular music from the taverns to accompany some of their hymns. Recently, church scholars have presented pretty convincing proof that Luther and the Wesleys did NOT do so, and that the legend arose from a misconception about the word “bar tune” or “bar form,” which seminary students assumed meant a tune sung in local drinking establishments, but is actually a form of poetry popular in Medieval times — a different kind of bar altogether.
Although Luther and the Wesleys may not have used parodies, another famous hymn writer did:
Francis (Fanny) Crosby was one of the most prolific hymn writers ever, having penned the lyrics to something like 9,000 hymns, including many that are still favorites today including “Blessed Assurance”, “Pass Me Not Oh Gentle Savior”, and “Safe in the Arms of Jesus.” One biography of Fanny Crosby (ISBN 1-55748-731-6) adds this tidbit:
“By the early 1870s, she was well on her way to becoming the queen of hymn writers. Fanny often matched her poems to familiar tunes. An example is “We Thank Thee, Our Father,” written to the melody of the famous “Adeste Fidelis.” She set poems to Scottish and Welsh airs and used tunes by Stephen Foster.”
Furthermore, the founder of another very influential evangelical denomination used parodies, too. William Booth, founder of the Salvation Army, an extremely evangelical organization that did much to help the poor and the drunks in the streets, used the music of popular tunes for hymns. In the biography, “William and Catherine Booth: Founders of the Salvation Army,” by Helen K. Hosier, it states the following:
“Satan would have to be battled within his own strongholds, and any means was justifiable, William decided, if it would attract sinners to listen to the message of salvation ... Thus it was that as the work grew, the music and street parades attracted increasing crowds of people who scorned the regular churches. ‘Why should the devil have all the best tunes?’ Williamreplied when chided for appropriating music of popular tunes for his hymns ... “
“The saying that ‘the devil has no right to all the good tunes’ has been attributed to both William Booth and Charles Spurgeon. But it was George Scott Railton, who was to become William’s lieutenant general in 1873 and was well-known as an author and songwriter, who concluded an article ‘About Singing’ (1874) with this impassioned plea: ‘Oh, let us rescue this precious instrument from the clutches of the devil, and make it, as it may be made, a bright and lively power for good!’”
The people in the Salvation Army weren’t the first to use secular music for sacred purposes, though. Note the following:
“[The absence of contrast between ‘secular’ and ‘sacred’ styles of music in the Middle Ages] ‘can be shown simply by the observation that a secular song, if given a set of sacred words, could serve as sacred music, and vice versa. Only recently has it been recognized how frequently such interchange took place, and the more we learn about medieval music, the more important it becomes. The practice of borrowing a song from one sphere and making it suitable for use in the other by the substitution of words is known as “parody” or contrafactum.’
(Source: Manfred F. Bukofzer, ‘Popular and Secular Music in England’, inThe New Oxford History of Music 3: Ars Nova and the Renaissance, 1300-1540, ed. Anselm Hughes and Gerald Abraham (London: Oxford University Press, 1960), p. 108.)
“I’m being chastised for even listening to country music!! Accused of being in Satan for even listening to it (see posts #385 and #390). ”
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Don’t sweat it, nor allow anyone to judge you. Before your own Savior you stand or fall. He is able to make you stand!
A Michael Rood lookalike wannabe?
My goal is to deny active listening to sounds that are displeasing to God. Secular music that can pass scriptural discernment is not excluded. The key verse surpassing all other scriptural guides in any situation is as follows:
"Blessed is every one that feareth* the LORD, that walketh in (H)is ways" (Psalm 128:1 AV)What is it that causes a person to attempt to cling to things of the world system whilst at the same time reaching out for the benefits of the Cross?
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* = to "fear" means to dread to displease, disappoint, or disobey the Persons of the Triune Jehovah
What is your scale of importance in this matter?
What part of your old life are you willing to abandon as undermining and unprofitable in the new one?
Me, too! Just like you, I knew better than to ask for Him to remove access to it from my life, just the desire for its taste. And He did, immediately. So from then on it was tonic water or seltzer. And not long after, hanging around a bar became uninteresting as well.
It appears that truth is not a very precious thing to you, either. It is you yourself that set up a strawman argument in which you accused yourself, in responding to a logical question rather than answering it.
You do debate a great disservice, and ought to quit that tactic if you wish any sensible person to interact with you. That approach may work with your husband, your children, or your pals, but it won't fly here.
Why not??? What does it mean then??? If until doesn't mean until, what does it mean???
But hey, I read in the bible that Jesus is going to climb on a white horse and gallop right out of heaven...Right off that throne you say he won't leave...
If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Do you have a problem with that verse??? I hope not...
And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
I'm going to guess that you disagree with that piece of scripture because, of course, people did ask Jesus questions after meeting...So the bible again, is wrong...
So I'm going to say that if you would actually study the bible instead of just repeat some supposed apologetics put out by your religion, you'd have the answer...
Mat 22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Jesus said the same thing to many small groups of people who became speechless after a proclamation by Jesus...Here it was a group of Pharisees....In Mark 12:34 it was a group of scribes...In Luke 20:40 it was some Sadducees who no longer asked him any questions...
When Jesus asked the crowd who was going to cast the first stone, the group hung there heads in shame and no one there asked Jesus any more questions...Jesus would shut 'em in in synagogues...With another group of Pharisees who couldn't outsmart Jesus, Jesus responded to them:
Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.
Jesus was not saying no one would ever ask questions again...He was referring to different small groups relating to specific subjects that were the topic of the conversation...Once you learn some bible, you won't be bothered by those insignificant Catholic 'gotcha' questions...
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
How does this passage bear in any way on anything being discussed?
How does this passage bear in any way on anything being discussed?
Never heard of him. Was he really ever as big as they are trying to tell us he was?
Hallucinogens in the sacrament?
It's a "parable" (?). A simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson.. Jesus used many such parables in the Gospels. It wasn't meant to deceive.. There were many scriptures listed we could look up.. I'm fairly certain "aMorePerfectUnion" is not trying to get us all cast into the bottomless pit.. After all, it was a frog on a phone.. :)
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