Was St. Paul a Poor Preacher?

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 07-31-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Salvation]

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Monsignor Pope Ping!

[infool7]

The sermon seems to have put the young Eutychus right to sleep, and results in his falling three flights to his death. Paul runs down and raises him from the dead. (All in a night’s work, I guess!)

That's funny, right there!

What gifts do you have? God can use them!

My wife and kids would certainly attest that I

can talk just about anyone unconscious.

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[MHGinTN]

“Paul then goes back upstairs to complete the Mass.” What is that I am always reading from FR Catholics about opinion sneaking in as if evidentiary thus not valid? The passage says Paul broke bread. PERIOD.

[MHGinTN]

Which ‘church’ does the writer refer to, the body of all believers since Pentecost, or the Catholic Org?

[knarf]

define poor

[ravenwolf]

Paul is much taken for granted because in this age he is thought
to be the super apostle, however any one who reads what he says
can see it the way it was.

2 tim. 1:15 Paul tells Timothy that those in Asis had forsaken him
meaning left his teaching.

1 Corinthians 9:2
If I am not an apostle to others, probably meaning the churches in
Asia.

Paul was also having problems with the church at galatia which was his
Purpose for writing them, he was plainly putting the other apostles down.

[tired&retired]

He was a slow learner.

[Wonder Warthog]

"The passage says Paul broke bread. PERIOD."

The "breaking of bread" IS the Mass, PERIOD. The problem with Protestants is they don't believe the Bible, despite their constant "protestation" that it is the whole basis of their worship.

[100American]

So when Jesus broke bread with his Apostles he was performing a Mass as the Catholic Church does.

Pretty impossible as Peter who was the first “Pope” was one of the Apostles yet I cannot find any reference in any scripture of the rituals of this church being mandated or performed other than by their members post the creation of it.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Pretty impossible as Peter who was the first “Pope” was one of the Apostles yet I cannot find any reference in any scripture of the rituals of this church being mandated or performed other than by their members post the creation of it."

Which is why "Sola Scriptura" is invalid. The record of the early Church Fathers is completely clear on the origin and practice of the Mass from the very earliest historical records we have. "I can't find it in Scripture" is a complete copout.

[100American]

The breaking of bread and sharing of wine (Body & Blood) at the Passover Feast (Seder) is in scripture indeed, and that is where the practice starts just before the Crucifixion

[ebb tide]

Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, believed in the Real Presence. He didn’t want to speculate about metaphysics and how the bread and wine became the Body and Blood of Christ, but simply believed in the miracle of the literal presence of Jesus’ Body and Blood “alongside” the bread and wine (consubstantiation). Luther wrote:“Sooner than have mere wine with the fanatics, I would agree with the pope that there is only blood. (Confession Concerning Christ’s Supper, 1528)He rebuked the symbolic view of the Eucharist, held by the majority of Protestants today:“[S]ince we are confronted by God’s words, ‘This is my body’ – distinct, clear, common, definite words, which certainly are no trope, either in Scripture or in any language — we must embrace them with faith … not as hairsplitting sophistry dictates but as God says them for us, we must repeat these words after him and hold to them” (Ibid.).

Luther’s defense of the Real Presence in the Eucharist

[Salvation]

Read about Justin Martyr in the book Four Witnesses

[Wonder Warthog]

Indeed it is. But there is also post-scriptural evidence as well. Protestants believe neither. The whole reason for the establishment of the diaconate was to allow the Apostles (and their ordained successors) more time for the Mass.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Run along and seek some other issue over which you can insult someone. The CATHOLIC Mass is an abomination violating in spirit the command from God, even before the Mosaic law, to not eat the blood."

God changed things in the New Covenant....that's why it is "New". He can do that. Scripture is VERY clear on this, in words given by Christ himself. "If you do not eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, you do not have life within you."

"That same admonition was repeated by the first Great Ekklesia Council in their letter to the new believers.

I suspect this "admonition" refers to sacrifices to idols and has nothing to do with the Mass. Let's see your quote from said Council.

[100American]

I am as you call me a “Protestant” but I claim no religion even as an ordained minister, but of Faith. The only “church” mentioned in scripture is The Body of Christ

We can go on over this if you like, but I choose to help souls not stand on a contruct that all other churches other than the Catholic Church are false

I know exactly what and Why Yeshua performed this and Communion with him is a sacred act. I attended a service at a Roman Catholic Church in my early teens and I had been taking communion for years but was refused even though it was Easter Sunday as I was not a “member”. I am a member of God’s family and you have no authority otherwise to deny it to me, if it means I am not a member of your religion so be it

[ealgeone]

Read about Justin Martyr in the book Four Witnesses.

Better...just read Justin.

Or better....read Scripture.

[ebb tide]

I am as you call me a “Protestant” but I claim no religion even as an ordained minister,...

Who ordained you, if you claim no religion? A burning bush?