Posted on 06/14/2019 10:08:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
As the news recently stated, “Controversy began to swirl when popular Bible teacher Beth Moore, a Southern Baptist, mentioned in a tweet that she would be preaching at a Mother's Day church service.” It continued, “A group of male SBC leaders who are "complementarians"—those who oppose women in the pulpit—began expressing concerns that Moore was scheduled to speak on a panel during the conference on June 12.”
Let me begin by saying that I know and appreciate many women who have been recognized as pastors. They are diligent, steadfast, and hard-working. Our country has done a great disservice to women over the years by not elevating and supporting women in roles of leadership. Alexander Strauch echoes this same concern, “In the minds of contemporary people, excluding women from church eldership is sexist, discriminatory, and one more example of male dominance. But this need not be the case. No one who truly loves people, who is sensitive to God’s Word, and who is aware of the painful dehumanization that women have suffered (and still suffer) worldwide would want to discriminate against women.”
Women are one of the greatest gifts that God has given the world. But in our passion to promote women (something I wholeheartedly agree with), have we overstepped the Scriptures in some areas? It’s not uncommon for the church, as a whole, to over-correct itself when abuse occurs. Here is the key: women who preach are different altogether than women who pastor a church.
Men are given the positions of pastors and elders because God gave them the role of leading and dying for their family and the church. I believe that Christ coming into the world as a man was strategic for this very reason: to lead, shepherd, and die for. It has nothing to do with the culture of Paul’s day because the male/female role began at creation; it’s not about “better,” it’s about design. How did God design us? First Timothy 2:11-13 talks about women not usurping the headship of men (cf. Genesis 3:16 again).
Can men learn from Bible teachers/preachers such as Kay Arthur, Priscilla Shirer, Anne Graham-Lotz, Beth Moore and others? Absolutely. But they should not be the spiritual covering over the man, thus usurping his role as spiritual leader. That’s the key.
In the same way that I was blessed by Joni Eareckson Tada’s message at John MacArthur’s Shepherd’s Conference a few years ago, I believe that Beth can, and should, preach at a Mother’s Day service speaking life into all who attend. This is not usurping the headship of men; it’s encouraging and convicting then.
First, we must understand that the loving, nurturing role of a woman is vital to the health of the church in the same way that it is vital to the health of a child. God has designed the male-female relationship to complement one another; one gender is not better than the other, but we do have different roles. To reject these God-given differences can lead to an unbalanced view.
Second, many misunderstand male leadership as God designed it; it’s not a glorified position, it's the position of a servant. A servant is called to protect, lead, and guard the church. We are to serve those God has entrusted to us. If there is a loud noise at home in the dead of night, do we encourage our wives to investigate? I hope not. God has called men to the position of servant leadership and protector.
Third, we see from Genesis 3:16 that God ordained a leadership role for the man. However, when men cower back from their leadership responsibilities, women will step in. Men must rise to the call of servant leadership. This type of leadership is not domineering or abusive; it’s kind, gracious, and humble. Pastors are to serve those in church, not lord over them. God’s design is not focused on “better than” or “superior” even though abuse has tarnished it.
But what does the Bible say?
Some use Chloe in the New Testament as an example of women being pastors. They say that she was a house church leader according to 1 Corinthians 1:11, but the Scripture doesn’t say that; it says “from Chloe’s household.” Another woman referenced is Priscilla. She and her husband, Aquila, ministered together. Another example is Lydia in Acts 16. Her entire household was baptized and her home became a meeting place for early Christians.
Although these women are mentioned, the context does not support the role of elder/pastor. The terms for pastor, bishop, or overseer were not used to describe them. Deborah, in the Old Testament, is another example used to support the idea of women as pastors. She was a powerful Old Testament figure who judged the nation of Israel for a season, but we cannot use this text to support the New Testament role of pastor, or “bishop,” of a church.
In the Greek, the word for bishop is episkopos and the word for pastor is poimen; both terms refer to the same office, and they both come from masculine nouns that mean to shepherd or to care for. The qualifications for male leadership are found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:6-9. The Bible does not outline character traits for female pastors, nor does it use the words episkopos or poimen when describing their role. For those who agree with the position of women pastors, where does the Bible list the character traits needed for this role?
Men are given the positions of pastors and elders because God gave them the role of leading and dying for their family and the church. I believe that Christ coming into the world as a man was strategic for this very reason: to lead, shepherd, and die for. It has nothing to do with the culture of Paul’s day because the male/female role began at creation; it’s not about “better,” it’s about design. How did God design us? First Timothy 2:11-13 talks about women not usurping the headship of men (cf. Genesis 3:16 again).
Again, can men learn from female Bible teachers? Absolutely. But they should not be the spiritual covering over the man usurping his role. We need more female authors and speakers; both genders complement each other, not compete; we are equal in Christ, but have different roles. “To restrict women from church eldership would be unjust and discriminatory if it were done arbitrarily by males for their own selfish ends, but if such restriction was part of the Creator’s wise plan, then it’s not discrimination” (Alexander Strauch).
Jesus honored and supported the dignity of women; He treated them the way they should be treated, but He never reversed roles. Jesus called Paul, He commissioned Peter, and He encouraged John to lead the church. Women can, and should, teach, administrate, and organize but under the direction of Scripture such as in women’s ministry, children’s ministry, office management, and countless other positions. But we should avoid using the masculine noun “pastor” when outlining their role.
Male leadership should look to the wise advice and counsel of women before making decisions. For example, in our home, we make decisions together. Additionally, all three of my editors for books and articles (including this article) are women. Their advice and suggestions are priceless. All are exceptional writers, far better than me. Women are a true blessing to the church; the glue that keeps everything together. We would not survive or flourish without them.
If the Bible supported women pastors via direct mention and a list of character traits they need to possess, I would be among their biggest fans. My view has nothing to do with opinion, male dominance, abuse of authority, or male chauvinism, but everything to do with the principles given in Scripture that allows each role to complement the whole. Times change, but truth does not.
Dateline: Day 6, Creation
Eve Asserts Her Leadership at Tree of Good and Evil
More at 11.
Aimee Semple McPherson - The Power of Faith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWgaJb2FVE
I attended briefly a Presbyterian church with a female pastor.....
Needless to say, her understanding of the bible was beyond weak.... sadly..
She was a piece of work, when she would read scripture she would replace any gender pronoun with that one and then add “or” the other gender pronoun...
IE “When I was a boy (or girl) I would played with childish things”...
Didn’t matter the context... So she would read Letters from Paul, written in the first person, as though he somehow was optionally gendered...
Needless to say, when that’s whats going on inside the churches, there is no wonder secular humanism is winning... the churches are effectively promoting the own demise from sheer stupidity.
it all depends on if you actually believe the bible as your authority or some other thing!
Aimee Semple McPherson evangelist scandal rocked Los Angeles 85 years ago
The most widely ignored scripture in Christianity: 1st Corinthians 14:34-37.
Let your women keep silence in the churches - for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.
Why don’t we also ignore the Ten Commandments?
I am aware of the sad events in her life. The sermon is only 28 minutes long, and recommended listening.
QUESTION: is 1 Corinthians 14:34-37 an absolute command for women to remain silent at ALL TIMES in ALL SERVICES?
OR is the prohibition to be understood as limited in some way by the context?
To number 7, one of your posts from 2011.
It is a prohibition to be understood as limited by the context.
In interpretation, CONTEXT RULES.
I guess Paul’s letter was a living breathing letter, and his words did not mean what they said. Who knew?
The Bible (GOD’S WORD) says Eve was deceived.
The commandment from God to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was to Adam.
Adam was not deceived. And he ate.
To be on the safe side they should just be quiet. Impossible I know, but I can dream.
This was not a general statement, as the book itself shows.
And as the rest of the New Testament also shows. Read Paul’s epistles.
But first you have to have the Holy Spirit in you as a result of believing the the Lord Jesus Christ per hearing the true GOSPEL, SEE Romans 1:16-17.
The Bible (GOD’S WORD) says Eve was deceived.
The commandment from God to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was to Adam.
Adam was not deceived. And he ate.
We cannot just isolated one verse in Paul’s epistle without looking at other verses.
Women were allowed to pray or prophecy ( see 1 Corinthians 11:5 ) within the cultural settings they were in.
So, 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 cannot be an absolute prohibition against all types of speaking by all women at all times simply because an earlier passage ALLOWS women to do so.
Women pastors escalated the downfall of the UMC, by a factor of 10.
Scripture IS God speaking! The Spirit works in us as we sup on that endless buffet. We believers are NOT the hardened teachers of the law who Jesus challenged on their searching the Scriptures while missing Him. That is often quoted against us Bible thumpers😊 by the babblers, but as I said their babble ain’t got nothin' on God's breathed-out Word.
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