Posted on 05/01/2019 9:40:25 PM PDT by OddLane
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
Clueless, you remain clueless. While you are doing satan’s work for him, you ask if I reject satan!
hurl all the insults you like,
but STILL you refuse to answer
even a simple
QUESTION that
any christian wouldn't
HESITATE to
ANSWER!
LAST CHANCE.
Well do you?
REJECT Satan, that is.
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Do you believe the Holy Spirit authorized instructions from the First Great Council of the Ekkelsia?...
“From: The apostles and the elders, your brothers
To: Their gentile brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings.24We have heard that some men, coming from us without instructions from us, have said things to trouble you and have unsettled you. 25So we have unanimously decided to choose men and send them to you with our dear Barnabas and Paul, 26who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus, the Messiah. 27We have therefore sent Judas and Silas to tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place on you any burden but these essential requirements: 29to keep away from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from anything strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you avoid these things, you will do well. Goodbye.”
Now, Catholic, answer truthfully: your religion is propped up by the belief that your priests can feed you the body AND BLOOD of Jesus Christ; do you see the contradiction posed by defying what 'seemed good to the Holy Spirit' coming from the first great Church Council?
Great were making some headway.
Unfortunately you are taking a small part
of Holy Scripture and weaving
it into a tangled web of total misunderstanding.
I do not know you or consider you an authority
in any of your interpretations,
they are both absurd and foreign to
my understanding of the Truth which
has been gently handed down to me
from familiar, accountable and trustworthy
sources.
Even if it were possible for you to
refrain from using such an insulting tone
in your replies, I might consider
continuing this exchange but alas
it is not to be.
Good Day Sir(or Madam)
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Interpretation? Pffft I just quoted the message the Ekklesia Council sent to the new believers. Numerous entries in the Old Testament forbidding the eating of the blood is not ‘taking one passage’ and twisting it. On the contrary, it is catholiciism which takes the passage in John and weaves a web of deception to contradict the clear message from Acts 15. Keep thos hand firmly blocking your eyes, ears and mind. Hell is not half full!
Read post #44 again. Your soul is in dire need of scriptural instruction.
Now how do you, Catholic, reconcile that message with your priest supposedly feeding you the blood of Christ? Aren't you Catholic apologists the ones demanding we believe the earliest body of believers were Catholics? Is the god of Catholiciism so double minded as to contradict Himself?
Perhaps you should
re-read it yourself... SLOWLY.
It does not say what you’ve
only imagined it to say.
You’ve fabricated an
entire elaborate hallucination
around a tiny part of a sentence.
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So you cannot reconcile this issue. I quote the scripture, you deny what is plainly written.
No,
merely
you, whoever you are,
are not a respected authority,
and your argument is,
so unconvincing
it does not
warrant any further
serious inquiry.
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Well, stamp your widdle feet and run along.
As reads: “Catholic faith is based on the teaching of Jesus and has not changed,”
Should read: The true “Catholic” universal Church has not changed, but the roman catholic cult has changed. I posted all the changes to you, but you can’t rebut them as you know they are true so you just ignore the truth. Even your very own talk about the change from vat I to vat II, so don’t tell me your cult hasn’t changed.
“You don’t mention your denomination that you follow”
I follow the Holy Bible and nothing but the Holy Bible my Church is a Christian Church with no denomination. Jesus didn’t teach or set up denominations. He made it possible for us to have a close personal relationship with His and our Father and come to HIS Throne of grace anytime we need or want to, Hebrews 4:16.
“You attempt to list items of tradition without fully understanding.”
So if I don’t fully understand then tell me what’s wrong with that list of changes to you tradition I listed. Your comment I don’t understand is a statement of I don’t have nothing, so I just say you don’t get it.
I don’t need a pope or all the multiple gods that rcc’s need to guide, guard, or direct me. My Lord is sufficient and He promised me that is enough at ALL times, 1 John 5:12.
“I believe and accept that Jesus told us that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus and that we should eat and drink this as food for our salvation.”
I believe your god contradicts himself since he gave the command not to eat blood.
“We need the forgiveness of sin”
Yes and it’s at the cross 2k years ago not in your stomach! I posted Romans 10:9, but apparently you can’t read or didn’t so I’ll do it again.
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
“Receive the Holy Spirit.”
And being a born again disciple of Jesus Christ I have that same Holy Spirit as any other born again believer.
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
That’s why we born again believers don’t need a tradition hand book we have the Holy Spirit of God to teach us.
“If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’” (John 20:21–23).”
There’s only one problem with that interpretation, it’s wrong! When you go to Matthew 18:18 we see that it’s past tense.
Now go to v. 22 and the Holy Spirit is given, so what the Holy Scripture is saying is that when it’s given to you by the Spirit it has already been accomplished in Heaven. It’s not saying that you Peter or any of the other Apostles can make it up as you go, but what the Lord has already decided will be given to you by the Holy Spirit which I just gave you. context, context, context.
The Lord is the only one that can forgive sins past, present, and future.
For a church that claims beginnings and traditions from Peter I would have to say that your first pope must have forgot to tell you a few really important things.
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-—————————……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………-————…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, “Mother of God” applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .-———————————————————— 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent………………………… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………—————.1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-—————————————————……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church…………………1965 A.D.
“plus apostolic tradition”
Your tradition is made up as your false antichrist popes decide which the goats of the roman church must follow RIGHT or WRONG.
Which one is wrong?
“Wow. May God have mercy for you.”
He has already had mercy on me 2k years ago when Christ Jesus died, was buried, and rose again. My sine are forgiven and I know that for sure and I also am assured of my acceptance into Heaven where I will be with the Lord forever. He also poured out His abundant grace on me and for that I am grateful and preach nothing but His Holy Word without deflections or the addition of man made tradition which leads straight to the pits of Hell.
Unfortunately you can’t say that can you? For you to follow the rules of your cult you are left wondering if you have ever did enough. So have you prayed enough to the gods of your religion Mary, John, popes, or any other demon gods that the rcc considers a god, there are thousands correct?
Now that is a sad state of religion and not the relationship that Jesus Christ promised us with the Father, Abba.
You didn’t answer any of my questions...
Is Jesus oak or mahogany, or you a sheep, or is Jesus a root or a vine?
“Your interpretation is blasphemy.”
Since you are so sure of your information which one is the correct Scripture? Does the Jew or Christian eat blood without sin?
John 6:53
or
Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 19:26, Acts 15:20 there are more, buts that enough
“are not a respected authority,”
You mean like your pope frank the godliest man on the planet (vicar of god). Or how about JP II kissing the koran is he the real authority?
Maybe innocent III he’s a real good authority figure. He gave you a lot of blasphemous Satan worshiping dogmas.
“Ekklesia Council sent to the new believers”
Funny how rc’s love their councils, but the first true council of the Apostles laid the law in accordance with the Lord’s doctrine and they just can’t accept it. Naturally they accept all the false councils hook, line, and sinker, but the real one doesn’t count.
“your religion is propped up by the belief that your priests can feed you the body AND BLOOD of Jesus Christ”
Even following the Law of Moses we see that the forgiveness of sin wasn’t in eating the Passover lamb (was required), but by the shedding of it’s blood and that blood being applied to the alter. It’s really pretty simple when the WHOLE Bible is read as a the complete Word of GOD.
I’ll say it again the OT has most of the answers to the NT and the NT answers most of the OT mysteries.
The poster to whom I offered the details isn’t even able to see truth from The Word of God when it is typed in bold and underlined. it is an astonishing example of what scriptures say are characteristic of dead souls who believe themselves alive, to whom Jesus will respond, “Depart from me, you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.”
“isn’t even able to see truth from The Word of God”
1 Corinthians 2:!4
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
2 Corinthians 4:3
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
As and early believer I never did truly understand those Scriptures, but since then I have talked to enough of the lost to fully understand them. Praise the Living God that by His grace and His grace alone that He has revealed His Holy Words to us the saved.
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