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To: pepsi_junkie

I read a book about Islam and the author basically said the poetry, philosophy etc during the golden age of Islam was in spite of Islam , not becaus of it. The author then listed verses from the Koran that condemned music, poetry philosophy etc. The differance between Islam and. Christianity was that Christian intellectuals said all things point to God so there can be no divergence between God and creation, as I understand it. Islam said God is free to act as he will so any observations of his creation can arbitrarily be changed by God so there is no use studying creation. From the pinnacle of greatness Islam achieved it side to the bottom of the mountain. So the west owes a debt to Islam for underpinning western civilization, Islam owes a debt to the west for knowledge since then.


73 posted on 12/04/2018 10:46:40 AM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: carcraft
Islam said God is free to act as he will so any observations of his creation can arbitrarily be changed by God so there is no use studying creation. From the pinnacle of greatness Islam achieved it side to the bottom of the mountain. So the west owes a debt to Islam for underpinning western civilization, Islam owes a debt to the west for knowledge since then.

Spot on. Islam is willfully ignorant of the world because they cannot claim to "know" anything that isn't revealed by Allah. And anything not explicitly in the Quran is hence not worth knowing. And that is why they failed to emerge from their warlike and wandering ways for a thousand years until oil made them wealthy enough to afford Ferrari's and rockets made by other people who aren't so militantly ignorant.

76 posted on 12/04/2018 11:02:55 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: carcraft

Contrary to popular thought Islam only preserved certain things from Classical Civilization - things that intrigued or otherwise interested various muslim Arabs. All else they destroyed.

When you read that such and such classical writer’s works are lost, thank a muslim. When you read about fabulous machines in Classical writings that no longer exist, thank a muslim. When you think of the horrors of chattel slavery (people as disposable property), than a muslim.


84 posted on 12/04/2018 2:14:35 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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