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To: ealgeone
It is a prohibition against ALL stealing.

All stealing is sinful, and all sin is prohibited.

Do you think a Christian who steals a paperclip is going to hell if he doesn't consciously repent of stealing the paperclip before he dies?

If you answer "no," then you, too, think that stealing a paperclip is a venial sin for Christians.

(You may in fact think that stealing *anything* is a venial sin for Christians, but your objection is not with the idea that stealing something trivial is a venial sin, but with the idea that stealing anything is a mortal sin.)

94 posted on 07/30/2018 9:18:39 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
>>It is a prohibition against ALL stealing.<<

All stealing is sinful, and all sin is prohibited.

Do you think a Christian who steals a paperclip is going to hell if he doesn't consciously repent of stealing the paperclip before he dies?

If you answer "no," then you, too, think that stealing a paperclip is a venial sin for Christians.

The commandment is clear....ALL stealing is prohibited. It is the Roman Catholic church who has tried to qualify "bad stealing" vs "ok stealing". That is not supported by the OT or NT.

For the believer in Christ, all of their sins are forgiven....they've been nailed to the cross.

97 posted on 07/30/2018 9:33:57 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Campion
If you answer "no," then you, too, think that stealing a paperclip is a venial sin for Christians.

You'll go to hell for even thinking about stealing a paperclip, if you are not a born again Christian...

112 posted on 07/30/2018 10:52:36 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Campion
Do you think a Christian who steals a paperclip is going to hell if he doesn't consciously repent of stealing the paperclip before he dies?

If you answer "no," then you, too, think that stealing a paperclip is a venial sin for Christians.

NO, it's a sin that can result in the condemnation of anyone if that was all they ever did in their entire life.

You are putting salvation on the basis of works, not grace, if you think that sin can damn a born again believer.

121 posted on 07/30/2018 12:13:15 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Campion
Do you think a Christian who steals a paperclip is going to hell if he doesn't consciously repent of stealing the paperclip before he dies? If you answer "no," then you, too, think that stealing a paperclip is a venial sin for Christians. No, it means that you are engaging in a false dilemma, for this is not a simple either/or situation.

While your premise that there are different grades of sins, from entertaining an unclean thought to premeditated murder, as well as different grades of guilt, from sins of ignorance to final apostasy ("the great transgression," "departing from the living God," "sin unto death"), yet salvation cannot require consciously repenting of every sin one committed.

For we are hardly conscious of all the the specifics and degrees we fail to love God with all we have, and our neighbor as ourselves, and can even forget what we did know. as some moment

Nor is justification obtained by having confessed and forsaken every sinful way we have.

Instead, it is faith out of a convicted poor and contrite repentant heart that obtains justification, rendering one "accepted in the Beloved" on Christ's account, and continually justifies.

Which saving faith effects obedience thru the Spirit, (Romans 8:14) and which includes repentance, (2 Corinthians 7:8) and penitent confession when convicted of not walking in obedience. Believers are And such obedience testifies to justifying faith

However, as it is such faith that justifies a person in conversion though he/she need not be know and remember and confess every sin, so also, while it is contrary to faith to reject conviction of sin and thus not ask forgiveness to the one offended, yet there are sins of ignorance, and it cannot be expected that one know and remember and confess every sin they have committed as a believer.

Instead, the faithful believer has a penitent attitude toward all sin, and it is this faith that justifies him despite his not know and remember and confessing every sin he has committed.

Of course, those who believe they must actually become good enough to be with God in this life or thru Purgatory, and confuse the effect of true heart-purifying justifying faith faith as being the actual cause of justification, have a different faith.

140 posted on 07/31/2018 1:03:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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