[boatbums]

It’s Mary’s own admission that she was a sinner. She called God *my savior*. If she had been without sin, then she wouldn’t have needed a savior.

So, by the same ‘logic’, Jesus was a sinner also, since he was baptized? Did he need to be baptized to wash away his sins? By your logic, if Mary were sinless, then she would have been saved without God? If you lost a baby an hour after birth, obviously committed no sin, and went to heaven, then it went on it’s own? The baby would have no savior? I’m thinking not.

I continue to be amazed at how little it seems some people actually know about the Christian faith! NO human being has ever been - and never will be - saved because they are righteous enough. Even an innocent baby that dies can only be saved by the grace of God. We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners - it is our nature, we are born in iniquity, at enmity with God. Mary was saved NOT because she gave birth to the incarnate God but because she believed in Him as her Savior. The innocent who are incapable of acknowledging their sin and their need of a savior are covered by the mercy and grace of God.

Jesus IS God with us, He didn't need a Savior - He IS the Savior! You believe that, right???

[nobamanomore]

You completely missed my point. My point was that even if someone never sinned, you have to have a savior, therefore the statement about Mary having to have sinned because of the ‘my savior’ statement proves nothing.