Posted on 07/28/2018 8:00:05 AM PDT by Salvation
That's nice.
I don’t do long videos; and I’ve already witnessed ‘evidence’ that has convinced me that the Bible is a bit more than a ‘lot’ of truth.
If there is something specific you’d like me to see; give me the time it is found in the video.
I don’t know. That would be a lot of work, and I’m old and lazy. I’ve watched the entire video many times. Try skipping around.
There’s a part 2 also, about mesas being the stumps of ancient giant trees, too.
I think pat 2 is actually easier to get. Much less complicated. And shorter! If it pops up again,I’ll post it for you.
Wow! Thanks for the video. Pretty impressive! :)
OK, can you relate to me (or us) your evidence? I’ve shown you mine, now you show me yours. :)
No, really. I need a solid footing to help me through this.
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Our God has told us how to gain his righteousness, and it is not even related to the above beliefs.
“No apostle ever called obedience to Torah “works.”
I am not sure what you mean but James referred to the things which Jesus told us to do ( such as the good Samaritan and the parable of the sheep and Goats ) as works.
People today thinks of the word work as a bad word, i think it is a very good word.
But i would like to make a point here.
When i first commented on this thread i was only questioning the idea that a believer would go to heaven no matter how much they sinned.
I question it because although i doubt it i don`t really know.
I agree with all of you that we are saved by grace through faith but if we can sin all we want then why did Paul tell the church that they should get rid of that man who was having an affair with his dads wife?
1 Cor 5:1
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
I don`t really know but i believe Paul was just telling them
to get him out of the Church, but maybe kill him.
Many people use Pauls writings to get the idea across that believers can do anything they want except work or obey Jesus and still be saved, but maybe Paul was not quite as liberal as some think.
These same people who believes we can sin all we want and still be saved are the first ones who will bash the Catholics, they say for worshiping Mary or idols.
Or bashing the Mormons because a couple of them has more than one wife.
If believers can sin all they want and still be saved what does it matter?
People will use any scripture to justify their belief and that is fine but why not read the the scriptures that will justify the belief of others also.
I wish the reader to understand that as often as we mention Faith alone in this question, we are not thinking of a dead faith, which worketh not by love, but holding faith to be the only cause of justification. (Galatians 5:6; Romans 3:22.) It is therefore faith alone which justifies, and yet the faith which justifies is not alone: just as it is the heat alone of the sun which warms the earth, and yet in the sun it is not alone, because it is constantly conjoined with light. Wherefore we do not separate the whole grace of regeneration from faith, but claim the power and faculty of justifying entirely for faith, as we ought.
Why do you keep on asserting ANYONE has advocated "believers can sin all they want and still be saved"??? NOBODY has stated that! Can you appreciate the difference between the truth that our works are not what save us but that our works are what demonstrate that we have genuine faith and have been born again into the family of God? Why the misdirection and untrue accusations?
Those who would try to be justified by their works are "fallen from grace". It's that simple, please don't permit the legalists and Judaizer-accursed gospel to confuse you. We are saved by the grace of God THROUGH faith and not by our works. That is the true good news! It is NOT a license to sin - the same accusation that Paul had to deal with that he addressed in his epistle to the Galatians and that apply to us all. We CAN'T save ourselves - it is ALL because of God's grace.
If believers can sin all they want and still be saved what does it matter?
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Will you STOP using that strawman argument please?
It’s not only not at ALL what I believe, but it’s highly insulting.
And says a lot about you when you think that the only reason that anyone would do good works would be because they’d be punished otherwise.
Though if you insist on smearing me with that argument, I have to ask you this in return. If you do good works in order to avoid punishment, are they REALLY good works from the heart?
Personally I would say that a good work from a Protestant who does it out of gratitude for God saving him would count for more than ten good works done by a Catholic who’s only doing them because he doesn’t want to go to Hell.
It also says a lot about a person and what’s in their heart if they think that security in salvation gives someone license to sin.
It’s called *projection* and I’m convinced many think that way because that’s what they’d do if they were in that position.
Those born of the Spirit love God and want to please Him and are grieved when they sin. They are not using God as fire insurance, so they can sin all they want and get away with it.
Nor to they understand what the fruit of the Spirit of self-control is.
We don’t need threats of damnation to keep us in line. We don’t need the outside forces compeling us under duress to behave or else. We have the internal desire to please God and live in a way that pleases Him and brings glory to Him.
No.
It's service based on fear, not love and gratitude.
The new birth is completely lost on them.
Amen sister.
Would that be the nephilim?
It’s got to do with Paul’s efforts to attain right standing with God by adherence to the Law, IOW, works.
All the effort he made, he realized, means nothing compared to being found in Christ and having Christ’s righteousness imputed to him through faith is far better than having his own which he tried to attain by works.
All his technical sinless perfection under the law means nothing. It did not give him the righteousness he sought after.
It’s being found *in Christ* is all that matters, thus not having a righteousness of his own.
It seems we are trying to deal with some hypothetical situations, than can be very difficult to explain on an Internet forum like this. I will try, however. First, let me say, that God is the ONLY one who truly knows the heart, whether a person is truly saved or not. We only see from the outside.
Now, when I was 21, I became a born again Christian. His righteousness was imputed to me. My life began to miraculously change. That’s how I knew it was real. Hypothetically speaking again, I would say if a person claims to have become a born again Christian, and yet has no change in his life, is he truly saved? Hypothetically, I would say the answer is probably not, but only God knows for sure.
Once I had His righteousness imputed to me, it was a once and forever experience. The relationship has been permanently established. Now, I had two natures in me, God’s imputed nature and the old sin nature, at war with each other, both fighting for dominance. Sometimes I have victory over sin, and sometimes I don’t, but the relationship is never broken. We are never to use our relationship as an excuse for wickedness, but sometimes we still sin, which harms fellowship with God, but not the relationship. That’s when we do a 1 John 1:9, and confess. It restores the fellowship, but the relationship was always there.
Now, can a true born again Christian fall into some bad sinning. Hypothetically, I would say it is possible, but I would also say that if they do, God may hypothetically kill them. It’s possible that God will not long tolerate a true Christian bringing disrespect to His name. Doesn’t mean their relationship has ended, but their life on earth might, hypothetically of course. That is what I think is the sin unto death. It refers to physical death, not spiritual death. Remember Ananias and Sapphira. Hypothetically, true Christians, who sinned, and were removed from the earth. Hypothetically, they were saved, but were still taken out. I feel that if a true Christian wants to lead a long, fruitful, productive life, he should do his best to stay on the straight and narrow, not to get saved, but because he is saved. I hope this might help. 😁👍😇
There are no doubt HUNDREDS who cling to this and say, "yes!!!"; however...
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
It does NOT say the GIANTs mated with the Humans; it merely says they were on the earth. ??? So; just WHO are the sons of God and the daughters of humans??? The BOOK says: Let Us create Man in Our image. So there you get some 'sons of God'; right?? The BOOK also says, in Genesis 5:3-4 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. These things happened BEFORE Genesis chapter 6.... ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) To get GIANTS being OTHER than what GOD's word says; one must go offline to extra biblical writings.
Good argument.
Because it really sounds like you’re saying that daniel1212 has told you that no, this is not what he believes, and you’ve just said “I don’t care; I’m going to keep on attacking in this manner anyways.”
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