Former Muslim: Dreams of Jesus, Miracle Healings Leading Millions to Christ Despite Persecution

A pastor who has started hundreds of churches in Pakistan, where he suffered persecution for his faith, has chronicled his extraordinary journey in a new book where he says that divine healings and prophetic dreams are leading many Muslims to Jesus Christ.

Pastor M El Masih, who started Cry of the Persecuted Church and now lives with his family in the United States, shared in an interview with The Christian Post some of his most difficult challenges growing up in Pakistan, where he studied and followed Islam and the Quran for years.

In his book, From Persecution to the Promised Land, Masih, who has spoken in thousands of churches and universities, explains that he grew up in a nominally Christian family but embraced Islam at one point in his pursuit of truth, even becoming a teacher at an Islamic high school.

Desperation and a lack of peace haunted him, however, and it was through the help of other believers and a pastor sharing the Gospel of Jesus with him that he decided to become a Christian in 1993.

Masih said that the Gospel is reaching many in the Muslim world. He added that even if Islam is growing worldwide due to high birthrates, over 6 million Muslims each year become Christians in Islamic countries.

Many Muslims are making decisions to convert, and not necessarily because of the Bible or a preacher who has reached them, but because Jesus Himself has visited them in dreams and visions, he noted. This is a testimony which has been echoed by other Christians in persecuted regions worldwide.

In the book, Masih talks about the rise of his ministry and his efforts in establishing churches. He also says that through the power of God, he has witnessed and taken part in several healing miracles.

He shares of instances where through prayer in the name of Jesus, he has seen paralyzed women stand up and start walking; and in another case for a nearly blind man, Jesus "restored his sight immediately."

The pastor also warns of various dangers facing Christians around the world, including persecution at the hands of Islamists, whom he says have falsely convinced many in the West that Islam is not a threat.

Additionally, he points to spiritual threats that come from demons, witchcraft, and satanic forces, which he said are not fantasy, but real.

Below is an edited transcript of Masih's interview with The Christian Post about his book, From Persecution to the Promised Land.

CP: In the book, you point out that a lot of media in the U.S. don't want to say that Islam is violent. Where do you think this reluctance comes from? Is it an ignorance of the Quran or is there a more political reason?

Masih: I believe it's actually both. There are really three reasons why the media does not want to say that Islam is violent.

First, people do not know much about the Islamic religion, what it stands for, what the beliefs are, because they rely on the liberals to give them correct information. They see those practicing Islam in the West show a face of calm and peace. When in the minority, as Muhammad was at first, they work well with others, showing a peaceful side. But when the numbers get stronger there becomes no freedom of speech for those who are of other religions.

If Islam was truly a religion of peace it should be shown and practiced this way in both the East and the West. If you really read the Quran you will see the black and white teaching in the Quran which is anti-all religion, especially Jews, Christians and idol worshipers. The Quran is where the religion of the Muslims comes from.

Second, people in the West, for political reasons, are always trying to be politically correct in order to receive those much needed votes. This causes them to stay away from topics such as religion. Even those who voice their concerns through the media, especially those [media outlets] whose majority shares of their companies are owned by Eastern countries, will not print many stories on this controversial subject.

Third, there is much fear involved, which promoted by the Muslim cleric decrees, against those in opposition to their religion. This will cause people to think long and hard before they speak against Muslims.

CP: Of all of the persecution and different challenges you faced while growing up in Pakistan, what would you say was the most difficult for you to deal with?

Masih: The most difficult, I believe, was the daily discrimination that I suffered once I stepped out of my home. Facing non-Christians as we went shopping or anywhere in public, for that matter, we were treated like second-class citizens. It was very painful emotionally and difficult to live through the persecution.

You would start questioning who you really were because it was easy to lose our true identity. There was also always fear of being discovered as a Christian. We tried to hide that fact as best that we could.

CP: You mention that Jesus has appeared in dreams and visions to many Muslims who later became Christians. How does one tell the difference between a dream that is actually from Jesus and dreams that are not?

Masih: Any dreams which align with the Word of God are from Jesus. If you have a dream and claim to meet Jesus, your life will be dramatically changed. The truth of God's Word will give that person strength to lay their lives down for Jesus, if called to do so. The apostles and many others, even today, were willing to die for the truth of Jesus Christ.

CP: There have been many stories of people receiving dreams of Jesus and deciding to follow Him, especially in non-Western countries. Why do you think such dreams are much more common for people outside of America and the West?

Masih: The No. 1 reason is it's very dangerous for anyone to preach the Word of God face-to-face in non-Western countries. God reveals things through dreams to evangelists/pastors. People in the East are more uneducated and unable to read the Bible so God uses this method to reach them.

The second reason is that people are very faithful in the East, placing themselves in positions to see the signs of God by studying the Word of God. Eastern people watch for the signs and miracles to show that the Word of God is alive. It is a privilege, one not everyone can share in — to own a Bible in the East.

In the West, people look more for wisdom, like the Greeks of old. They do not always rely on faith, which can't be seen.

CP: As you mention, miracle healings are sometimes a controversial subject. What would you say to people who are discouraged from believing that such healings are possible, due to their distrust of prosperity gospel preachers?

Masih: As Psalm 127:1 states, "Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain." The Lord our God is mighty. We have heard that money is the root of all evil. Jesus talks about always giving freely the prayers and healings, no fees are to be charged for attending the services.

When healing and deliverance becomes too much of a business we don't always see the healing and the true miracles occur. To know that the healing and miracles have truly occurred is to watch the persons walk. Have they truly changed?

Unfortunately, some use the Gospel to make money, not to put back into the ministry to save more souls, but for greedy intent. In the East, the people are poor. They can't afford to go to the doctor so they call upon God and He brings healing when they call upon Him.

In the East, doctors and hospitals are not widely available so it is more common for God to heal the people. In the West to have doctors and hospitals available it is a miracle. So spiritually, it is a blessing from God to have so many hospitals and doctors. God is still bringing the best healing in the West with the doctors, using them for His healing. Glory to God.

CP: What would you say are the biggest things that American Christians don't know or don't understand about the persecution people suffer in Pakistan?

Masih: Not all people in the West understand what it feels like to live in a cage 24/7. Suffering comes in the form of mental, social and physical persecution. Because of our beliefs we are treated like a second-class citizen. There is no freedom of speech or religion. It is not easy to comprehend the pain Christian believers go through anywhere they live, as a minority in their nation.

For example, if you go to a restaurant and the owners who are not of Christian faith find out you are Christians, they either refuse to serve you, or give you separate cups just for your kind. Even in the 21st century those that do not follow Jesus and His walk in love also do not understand. God sees His children as all the same. He judges us through the work of Jesus.

CP: What is the one message you would most like people to take away from your book?

Masih: Don't take freedom for granted. Appreciate it and use it wisely. Don't use it to sin but use it to win the lost people for Jesus.

Don't wound yourself when people say bad things against you. Have the attitude of Jesus, asking God to forgive others. Learn to love your enemies and those who hate you. The main message is to love all people regardless of race or religion.

in this particular case no

We really mistake the idea of crypto-Muslims. Even the ones suspected of this in the first generation after the spanish conquest of Grenada was overblown as for a Muslim, the act of shirk i.e. acknowledging anything other than the strict monad of al-Illah is a shibboleth for them.

This guy is a real convert.

RE: Taqiyya should play a part in your discernment. No?

Of course, the question I have is this — what GUIDELINES does the church or the Bible provide that helps us to discern between a lying Muslim “convert” and a real Muslim convert.

After all, Christians have to help and support the real convert and not reject him.

“Firstly - this was an injunction for Shia to mimic Sunnis, not about crypto-Muslims.”

I had no idea taqiyya was something only muslims used against other muslims and no one else.

Crypto-Islam is the secret adherence to Islam while publicly professing to be of another faith; people who practice crypto-Islam are referred to as “crypto-Muslims”. Wiki

“Secondly, for a Moslem to call Jesus as God and to take communion is beyond taqqiyya.”

Limiting their lies seems counterproductive. The source who said it may be lying.

These are weak guidelines.

I think the main guideline is this “BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM” (Matthew 7:16)

Let’s take case of Yousef, the son of West Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef.

He helped the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) thwart attacks from 1997 to 2007. He later went on to write an autobiography published in 2010 titled Son of Hamas.

He converted to Christianity and fled to the US where he was granted political asylum.

Every indicator in his life tells us that he braved being ostracized by everyone in his family as well as being killed for apostasy.

It is hard to deny his conversion to Jesus Christ based on these observations.

It is wise to be cautious, but there comes a point in time when you also have to exercise some faith when you DO see a changed life. Otherwise, we will be living lives of extreme skepticism and Christians would not even accept men like St. Paul himself.

“I think the main guideline is this “BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM” (Matthew 7:16)”

Their muslim fruit should be enough to know them.

As for Yousef..

“He helped the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) thwart attacks from 1997 to 2007. He later went on to write an autobiography published in 2010 titled Son of Hamas.”

Ten years and never caught. lucky man. Why did he stop?

“He converted to Christianity and fled to the US where he was granted political asylum.”

Crypto muslim? I don’t know. For all we know, his book could be mostly lies. Doesn”t matter, he’s here now.

“Every indicator in his life tells us that he braved being ostracized by everyone in his family as well as being killed for apostasy.”

But he wasn’t killed. Converted to Christianity and still made it out alive. Not to mention being well known and recognizable. If true, that was truly a miracle.

“It is hard to deny his conversion to Jesus Christ based on these observations.”

But not impossible.

SeekAndFind, you are a credit to debating. No name calling or condescension. Hat tip to you.

I think the guideline of knowing them by their fruits still applies.

I just cited one example... if after over a decade the man has shown relative CONSISTENCY, there is good basis for accepting him as a brother in Christ.

Otherwise, we Christians will find ourselves using Taqiya as an excuse never to evangelize Muslims and leave them to their eternal fate... which is of course NOT in keeping with the intent of the Great Commission.

*I think the guideline of knowing them by their fruits still applies.”

I never said it didn’t.

“I just cited one example... if after over a decade the man has shown relative CONSISTENCY, there is good basis for accepting him as a brother in Christ.”

One of billions. I hope you’re right.

“Otherwise, we Christians will find ourselves using Taqiya as an excuse never to evangelize Muslims and leave them to their eternal fate... which is of course NOT in keeping with the intent of the Great Commission.”

Taqiyya is not an excuse, it’s a reason. I’m not saying not to evangelize to them. I’m saying never totally trust them. Their intent is in their quran. The one you evangelize to today may wind up blowing you up in a month, year, or decade.

The thing is that they can't lie about that without irreparable harm to their concept of shirk or haram. There is a limit to taqqiya remember - and remember that taqqiya was used by Shia hiding from Sunnis - so keeping the same Muslim practices

I would suggest reading "No God but one" by Nabeel Qureishi, "The truth about Muhammad" by Robert Spencer and "Did Muhammad exist" by Robert Spencer

I had no idea taqiyya was something only muslims used against other muslims and no one else.

That's why I suggest reading about it first

I never said "against no one else" note -- and to be specific "taqiya is about lying about your faith" and was specifically used by Shia under Sunni oppression.

It gives NO license for a Moslem to have shirk i.e. worshipping something other than Al-illah.

If a Moslem takes communion, they are irredeemably condemned to death for apostasy.

Crypto-Islam is the secret adherence to Islam while publicly professing to be of another faith; people who practice crypto-Islam are referred to as “crypto-Muslims”. Wiki - and that was exceedingly rare and only in Iberian spain for a few years after the Spanish reconquista. It was short as the cryptos were easy to find out - they didn't participate in Church life which made them easy to point out -- this was not simple "Oh, i'm Christian now" but asking them to worship what was to them "just a prophet"

Limiting their lies seems counterproductive. The source who said it may be lying. - this is not about just lying, just words -- the ACTIONS they do can mean apostasy. Taqqiya is about the verbal lying. It does not absolve a Moslem who takes communion say as that is participation in worshipping someone other than al-illah.

#1 They are about 1.2 billion in number, not "billions"

#2 Consistency - come on, 10+ years is not enough for you?

#3 Furthermore, can you name one, even one crypto-Moslem who did what you say

you can trust converts - the moment they acknowledge Jesus as God is the moment they are irredeemable apostates from Islam.

Seriously dude, read the Quran and Hadiths and you'll see what you are saying is impossible. Lying (words) is one thing but actions that are haram is another.

“#1 They are about 1.2 billion in number, not “billions”

As of 2015, there numbers were 1.8 billion (Pew research). I’m sure their numbers have surpassed 2 billion by now.

“#2 Consistency - come on, 10+ years is not enough for you?”

No. 10 years isn’t enough. A lifetime is.

“#3 Furthermore, can you name one, even one crypto-Moslem who did what you say”

You brought it up. I figured you knew what you were talking about. Its a deceiving practice, I doubt any will openly admit to it... yet.

“you can trust converts - the moment they acknowledge Jesus as God is the moment they are irredeemable apostates from Islam.”

Sounds like they just gave up ways to be found out. Or, it’s just another lie and they have managed to fool you.

RE: Taqiyya is not an excuse, it’s a reason. I’m not saying not to evangelize to them. I’m saying never totally trust them. Their intent is in their quran. The one you evangelize to today may wind up blowing you up in a month, year, or decade.

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OK, I used the word “excuse”, you use the word “reason”, same thing.

Can you explain to me what you mean by — “Not to totally trust them”. Why not use Taqiya as a REASON (using your word ) not to evangelize any Muslim?

If they can never be totally trusted, what’s the point of trying to evangelize them?

If you’re not going to accept them in the body of Christ and disciple them because they “might” (emphasis) at some point blow you up, then why bother?

“OK, I used the word “excuse”, you use the word “reason”, same thing.”

No, they are not the same. In the context of your response, you made it seem trivial (Taqiyya) and wrong to make a judgement call on something they TEACH. To me it’s not trivial, its reality.

“Can you explain to me what you mean by — “Not to totally trust them”. Why not use Taqiya as a REASON (using your word ) not to evangelize any Muslim?”

Thank you for using the more appropriate word, “reason”.
“Not totally trust them.” Are you really asking that question?
Lets replace my atatement with “be cautious for obvious reasons.”

“If you’re not going to accept them in the body of Christ and disciple them because they “might” (emphasis) at some point blow you up, then why bother?”

Because its a risk you have to take to teach the word of Christ to people who want your infidel life to cease and desist. Jesus does not say to preach only to these or those, but to everybody. All i’m saying is watch your back, throat and head.

Well, let’s put it this way... many a missionary have risked their lives preaching the gospel.

This included all the apostles, most of whom died horrible deaths in emulation of their master. RISK is INHERENT in obeying the great commission, not only to the Muslim world, but in many other cultures.

Should we exercise caution against fake converts? Of course. This holds true even for non-Muslims. But we should not live our Christian lives in extreme skepticism, not if an ex-Muslim has for many years, risked rejection from family, community and braved the danger of being killed because of his apostasy.

So here is where we differ... correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to advocate TOTAL SKEPTICISM against ALL Muslim conversion claims. I don’t, not if their FRUITS show that their claims to believing in Jesus matches their actions... especially if Time has consistently shown that acceptance is justified.

Let me end this particular post by asking you a question because I am still unclear about your stance — is it your stance that because Taqiya is a Muslim teaching, that in order to protect the Christian’s life, we abandon all attempts at evangelizing Mudlims altogether?

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