Posted on 06/15/2018 9:20:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
When someone tells me that God told them that I should do something, I respond that God told me that they are full of sh*t and that they should mind their own business. (Just joking)
If “what God told you” doesn’t accord with the Scripture, then God didn’t tell you.
RE: When someone tells me that God told them that I should do something, I respond that God told me that they are full of sh*t and that they should mind their own business. (Just joking)
Well, you both can’t be right about this... (Unless you believe in a God who contradicts Himself :)
Does a bear evacuate his bowels in the woods?
Should we say, “Well, He had a message from God, That’s between him and God?”
Well, then why is he shooting off his mouth publicly about something supposedly ‘between him and God’??
RE: Well, then why is he shooting off his mouth publicly about something supposedly ‘between him and God’??
Because he’s buying a $54 Million private jet and the money has to come from somewhere.... Guess from where and who pays?
I grew up in the ‘faith message’.
The ‘logical extreme’ of the prosperity part relies on cherry picking and even twisting certain scriptures. It does not mesh with the totality of the new covenant. It does not mesh with the lives of the apostles.
It also doesn’t work. God is not a cosmic piggy bank who you can push around by quoting ‘promises’.
Does God care about your finances? I think so. But I also think it is about at the bottom of his priority list. What God does care about is what decisions you will make in the midst of difficult circumstances and obscured understanding.
From an experienced traveler and pilot, a perspective: Remember, the 54 million isn't "thrown away." The ministry still as an asset, minus depreciation.
A properly maintained executive jet is fungible; you can sell it, trade it, rent it out, sub-lease it; all on a very active, public market.
If you have ever been afforded professional travel on a private jet as I have been lucky to use, you can see the value it returns to your enterprise. They say it is the "last thing that goes!"
Well, back in the good old days, Jim Bakker told his congregation that God wanted him to buy a theme park with a water slide. And Oral Roberts said that God was going to kill him if he didn’t raise $8 million for his university. Everything old is new again!!
You run away quickly and give your $ to a ministry that is using term to further the spread of the Gospel not take care of the personal comfort of a preacher
That is the whole point, Seek. Those who claim that they are conversing with and directed by God should be mighty careful. If not, then they will receive a curse that they really won’t understand. Deuteronomy 18:18-20; 1 John 4:1, to name a few. You should challenge anyone that proclaims a special knowledge, particularly when it relates to you, and the way to do that is through the Word of God. Do not trust your soul to any person, but only to God himself. That is my opinion. Otherwise, if you trust others, you are a candidate for a cult - like the name it and claim it folks. They have to have jets because God is not fast enough?
I’ve always said the same.
At a certain point, private air travel makes sense.
But it would make a whole lot more sense to go with fractional ownership or with a less luxurious aircraft.
Is it necessary?
We helped buy a very expensive piece of equipment for a missionary but the reason he was asking for it was logical and it would reduce the cost of building churches in the area by over 50%.
I am suspicious of "God told me..." from anyone. We can get our own wants and desires mixed up with the voice of God.
So unless I can see a sound business plan that will show that the jet is necessary I am not only going to not give but I am not going to include it in my prayers.
Just my personal opinion, your millage may vary.
The refuge of scoundrels. I think it makes Him very angry. At least it would me.
No one is holding a gun to the head if donors
If you don’t like it don’t give
RE: You should challenge anyone that proclaims a special knowledge, particularly when it relates to you, and the way to do that is through the Word of God.
I understand your point. What I find difficult to challenge and discern, are SUBJECTIVE feelings such as “inner voices”.
For instance, Someone would say, God told me in a dream that I should take this job, I did and now I am quite satisfied, or God told me based on a strong internal voice that I should move to Hawaii, or God told me that there would be good weather in Boston after 2 days of snow and lo and behold, there was good weather.... Therefore, God spoke to me.
I once spoke to a very devout young Bible school grad who was having a dilemma on whether he should go serve in the mountain tribes of the Philippines, or the refugee camps in South Africa. He said he was praying that God would speak to him...
Guess what? A few weeks later, he told me that God spoke to him by his word... He was going to server in the mountain tribes of the Philippines. I was curious as to how God “spoke to him”.
He told me that one Bible verse spoke to him especially -— Psalms 121:1-2 “ I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.”
So there you go -— Hills/Mountains. That’s the sign that God gave him. He served there for 4 years and came back for further studies.
My question till today is this -— DID HE RIGHTLY UNDERSTAND AND APPLY THIS PASSAGE?
Like a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
Why can’t they just fly commercial, and stop using the donations of others to live high on the hog? How many of these “preachers” would have reached a comparable standard of living with comparable salary and perks in the business or entrepreneurial world? My guess is few to none.
Jesse has other jets, maybe 3 or 4. Is he going to sell them?
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