Posted on 03/13/2018 2:03:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Concur.
Salvation is by faith/believing.
Yes, water baptism is important and significant, but not salvific.
“Angels or demons, there is nothing else.”
What are you? An Angel or a demon?
Do you not call God in Heaven “Your Father” as well, just as Jesus did.
Jesus stated,”The things that I have done and even more, you too shall do in My Name.”
So what is wrong with doing the things that Jesus did in His Name. He taught His disciples to do these things as well.
The problem is that most Christians call Jesus their Savior and treat Him as a lifeguard sitting on a chair who will rescue(save) them when they are drowning(dying.)
While Jesus can do this, just as a lifeguard can rescue you, which would you sooner have, a lifeguard to rescue you or a lifeguard who teaches you how to swim? Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher who was teaching us how to be like Him, filled with Him, and to do the things that He did and even more.
I’m not criticizing where people are at. Quite the opposite. However, they need to know that the scriptures teach us so much more if we live them in our daily actions, thoughts and hearts, not just in our words.
The Apostle Paul spoke of his personal demon that kept after him. Was Paul not a Christian?
God allows the demons to tempt us as in our suffering we will seek Him out for refuge. It is better to go through the battles now and learn from the difficult experience, than to be forever unaware.
It was in context.
We were talking about spirits, not God, not Jesus or the holy spirit.
Angels or demons, spirits don’t exist.
Baptism is great, it’s a public confirmation of your faith in Jesus Christ and your obedience to God. You’re right, it’s not needed for salvation.
That's right. No such thing as human spirits hanging around, trapped somewhere.
Anything that presents itself as a wandering or trapped human spirit is demonic posing as human to deceive others.
That deranged creature is the creepy mother from “Carrie”.
“We were talking about spirits, not God, not Jesus or the holy spirit.”
The human physical body would not have life if it were not for your spirit occupying it. When you are conceived, it is your spirit that gives you life itself. When you die, your spirit leaves your physical body. We are all spirit. If you were truly filled with the Holy Spirit you would perceive this. God and Jesus are real and physical, here right now. However, those without ears cannot hear them and those without the Holy Spirit cannot see them. They are in us and we are in them. I see them as liquid Light. When you tune into them through prayer and meditation you experience total bliss and rapture beyond words.
The Holy Spirit is Light of lower intensity. You feel it and it warms you up with a good feeling. It cleanses your soul and guides you. Jesus is a brighter Light. He brings you bliss and tears of joy to your eyes. God is an even brighter Light than you can imagine and gives you ecstacy beyond words. They are all here right now for your experience if you tune into them with prayer and meditation. These Lights, are Spirits that all exist in the same space, like Russian Nesting Dolls the smaller in the greater. We are in the womb of God and we are all awakening by the Light within us.
God and Jesus are also in Spirit. It’s why Jesus said what He did in John 14:
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?
Role of the Spirit
16 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
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Jesus said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom ...”
Are you a son of the kingdom?
The anthropology of man is in our body, soul, and spirit.
Every human being born has a body and soul, but the human spirit is the new life given to man when he is forgiven of sin. While the judgment of occurred at the Cross, forgiveness occurs when we face Him through faith in what Christ provided in the Cross and confess all known and unknown sins to Him. That forgiveness by our true and just God, also allows Him to give us a regenerated human spirit.
That human spirit, now is the new man, wherein God the Holy Spirit in this Age chooses to dwell.
A believer who is saved may not have his soul possessed by a fallen angel, but there may be many people who seek human good, associate themselves with Christian culture, but have never answered the divine call, nor may fully understand the Gospel and have never received a human spirit from God.
Accordingly, there may be situations where somebody is associated as being a believer, who might become demon possessed.
A born again believer, also has the ability to sin and fall out of fellowship with God. They may be demonically influenced. They would still be indwelt by God the Holy Spirit, but out of fellowship and degenerating in their soul, not their spirit, until they turn back to God and confess their sins to be forgiven in post salvation forgiveness (1stJn 1:9).
Also one needs to recognize there are multiple parties with volition. Just because somebody sins, doesn’t mean they were caused to sin by any fallen angel. Believers still have souls scarred from their lives prior to salvation and continue to make mistakes, falling out of fellowship. They may even succumb to temptation and degenerate without possession by another person, into extreme behavior, which could be confused as demonic.
“forgiveness occurs when we face Him through faith in what Christ provided in the Cross and confess all known and unknown sins to Him. That forgiveness by our true and just God, also allows Him to give us a regenerated human spirit.”
Forgiveness is an ongoing cleansing process, not just something in the end. If your brother has anything against you, .......
23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. 25 Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.
The greatest judgement is self judgement that shackles the soul. I recently was working with a 97 year old hospice patient. She was crying and I asked her why. She replied, “I’m afraid I’m going to hell!” We prayed together and I continued praying for her. She was afraid to die.
The Holy Spirit moved into her to cleanse her soul. For the next three weeks, she ate nothing. She had no infections, but yet her 90 lb body was radiating heat like a furnace. Her bodily functions continued, purging everything from her intestines while her soul was being cleansed. I could see the liquid Light around her.
After two weeks, she stopped drinking any fluids. The Light and the heat became brighter. Finally, after three weeks with no food and a week with no liquids, her spirit had no fear due to the Holy Spirit cleansing her soul.
The portal opened up and the bright Light of God shown upon her, lifting her soul from her body. She went to Heaven.
Her fear and guilt had caused her soul to hide from the Light of God. People don’t realize, but the walls we put up to block us from Loving others due to hurt, and from receiving their Love, also blocks us from receiving God’s Love.
When she died, it was late in the evening so I told the hospice nurse not to bother coming out that night to pronounce the death. The next morning would be fine.
Twelve hours after death, there was no rigamortis. Highly unusual.
People who do not cleanse their souls are often stuck in this realm with no physical body, as they are afraid to move on into the Bright Light. I have no idea why I can perceive and communicate with these earthbound spirits as I am no one special. I Love God and I care, so I help when God Wills.
My point in sharing this is to stress the importance of cleansing our houses NOW as an ongoing process. The increasing intensity of the Light, the same Light that dark spirits fear, is not available to us if we hold onto fear, anger, guilt or self judgement. We must cleanse our souls every day at all times. When our soul is wounded with dark thoughts, immediately turn toward God in prayer and ask for help.
I’ve been through this process often with many people. If you wait until your death, it is often too late. However, as long as you are still alive, it is still available to you, just as it was for the vineyard workers who arrived during the last hour.
I work with people, helping them to forgive while in their final hours prior to physical death. Miracles happen. I am pro life at both ends of the spectrum as the physical body is the vehicle for the soul to have experiences necessary to grow closer to God.
You and I are much in agreement. Your words are scriptural and the bible is the truth.
Our semantic differences are due to my application of the scriptures in everyday life reality, not just theological interpretation of scriptures.
I share, I do not impose. My desire is that anyone who disagrees with my comments, please pray for me that I may seek and find greater understanding of God’s teachings. Please do not judge this poor misguided wanderer.
James 4:11 New American Standard Bible
11 Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
“Every human being born has a body and soul”
Every human being is a soul. The physical body is merely a manifestation of the soul in order that it gain the experiences necessary for the soul to grow.
We are the seeds of God, planted here in the darkness of the earth in order to grow and become “One with the Light” in whose image we were created.
That is a clip from ‘Carrie’ the Stephen King book/movie (starring Sissy Spacek as Carrie’). It is her mother in the final scene, trying to kill her daughter Carrie. Her mother is a religious zealot who tries to kill Carrie because she believes Carrie is possessed by a demon because she can move things with her mind via telekinesis.........
Folks so easily apply anything remotely "religious" to "Christian".
I wonder how many churches will have eater bunnies on the wall for the kiddies and an easter egg hunt ...... on Resurrection Day.
See ?
Yes, I know, but the final point in the movie was that the mother was the one who seemed to be possessed by the demons not Carrie......
I hate Ishtar eggs, too...................
bump for future reading & reference
Because they were were part human and had lived, they mimic the living, knowing much about them, as they follow them. They can easily make someone think that they are their dead relative, or a ghost.
I don't know if this is true. People who believe it say that is why Jesus spoke of both demons and unclean spirits, two different groups, according to them.
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