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To: ebb tide

John XXIII initiated VII but did not live to see its fruits (so to speak) and so I propose it is unfair to blame him for the ecclesial catastrophe that it became.

I cannot believe THAT Roncalli saw what was coming; and yet, acted upon it regardless?

R.S.V.P.?


4 posted on 03/02/2018 3:03:03 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: heterosupremacist
I blame full responsibility of VC II on John XXIII. He called the council under false pretenses, i.e., "that he had a vision".

Cardinal Heenan didn’t hesitate in saying that John XXIII’s Council “provided an excuse for rejecting so much of the Catholic doctrine which he wholeheartedly accepted”. The perfectly efficient organisation of the Rhine Fathers allowed them to arrive in Rome in a similar way to a well-formed [political]party with very precise politics to follow and clear aims to achieve. The other Fathers arrived in Rome just as simple “Catholics” without even knowing the exact reason for that convocation.

I highly recommend you read the full article that I link to below.

Exclusive for Rorate: Michael Davies Memorial Lecture by Roberto de Mattei - "From the Second Vatican Council to the Synod: The Teaching of Michael Davies"

5 posted on 03/02/2018 3:16:58 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: heterosupremacist
Prior to John XXIII's death:

Bishop William Adrian from Nashville, Tennessee, wrote in no uncertain terms that the European periti had imbibed the pernicious errors of Teillard de Chardin and  situation-ethics, - errors which in the final analysis destroy the faith, morals and any established authority. “These liberal theologians seized on the Council as the means of decatholicizing the Catholic Church while pretending only to de-Romanize it10 .

Cardinal Heenan didn’t hesitate in saying that John XXIII’s Council “provided an excuse for rejecting so much of the Catholic doctrine which he wholeheartedly accepted”.

6 posted on 03/02/2018 3:33:57 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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