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1 posted on 02/27/2018 8:40:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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What a joke. The carcass is full of maggots. How can it be revived?

There is no practical way to reverse the ordination of women (a core facilitator of the slide.) This is one of the things that cannot be undone.

Count the loss and move to a biblical denomination.

2 posted on 02/27/2018 8:43:53 AM PST by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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As a former Methodist seminarian who was basically forced out of the program due to being a “Theological Conservative”, Tooley is spot on. The problem is, it will never happen. As long as the UMC, has Bishops and District Superintendents who ignore the Book of Discipline, the slide will continue.


3 posted on 02/27/2018 8:47:18 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative ( Isaiah 40:31)
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I think the saying is “You Reap What You Sow”


5 posted on 02/27/2018 8:48:53 AM PST by ontap
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Aren’t Methodists long-term proponents of organized abortion? Are there some conservatives who oppose abortion still in the ranks? Wonder why they don’t leave the liberal enclave


6 posted on 02/27/2018 8:50:49 AM PST by Theodore R.
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You can’t “market” your way out of this.

Either you are promoting the salvation of Christ to individuals to transform their moral behavior, or you are simply another vessel for the promotion of post-modern, neo-marxist, worldly politics.


7 posted on 02/27/2018 8:51:33 AM PST by PGR88
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8 posted on 02/27/2018 8:52:19 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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This article may just as well have been written about the United Church of Canada.

The United Church of Canada started out with the admirable goal of uniting the various “flavors” of Presbyterianism and Methodism that were largely splintered along ethnic/cultural lines when Canada was still a young country, emphasizing unity in the essentials of doctrine and grace in non-essentials of practice and preference.

Now it’s not even recognizable as “Christian” and is pretty much just the “Spiritual” wing of the NDP.


11 posted on 02/27/2018 8:59:08 AM PST by Preston Manning (When standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress!)
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I think they could begin a program to really get things back together. They could focus on:

Worship
Teaching
Friendship.

It would be the WTF program.


12 posted on 02/27/2018 9:02:30 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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I don’t see how they intend to hold to Biblical teachings on marriage and sexuality, and at the same time tell local congregations not to take sides or be drawn into the fray.
Those two things are mutually exclusive.


13 posted on 02/27/2018 9:07:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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How about getting back to the business of solely preaching the Gospel as your founder John Wesley did??!!


14 posted on 02/27/2018 9:17:24 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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Divestment from Israel
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/58877/in-rejection-of-genesis-123-methodist-church-divests-from-israel-biblical-zionism/#/

Ordination of homosexuals who even live together in the parsonages

Apologia for abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/11/united-methodist-church-continues-its-pro-abortion-ways/

Global warming religionists

I did not leave this church
It left me


15 posted on 02/27/2018 9:27:05 AM PST by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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I left my Methodist church because I kept hearing Christians need to come out their comfort zone. They proved to me they would not discuss the topic of Giants of Genesis, The book of Enoch, or a timeline before the flood. I left.


16 posted on 02/27/2018 9:34:04 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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Hundreds of congregations, perhaps representing two percent of total USA churches and less than one percent of members, have openly dissented from the church's marriage teaching. They should be permitted to leave the denomination with their property and assets.

This is the key, and the principle needs to apply both ways. Move to a congregational model in which local churches own their own buildings, call their own pastors and support central church organizations (including colleges and seminaries) through voluntary assessments. Be clear as a matter of organizational principle and consistent practice that congregations are sovereign and can leave at any time. Problem solved.

Control over the seminaries is crucial. Traditionalist congregations, probably the majority among the Methodist churches, need a reliable supply of trustworthy pastors. My uninformed guess is that Methodism's current seminaries are not exactly hotbeds of orthodoxy.

17 posted on 02/27/2018 9:53:05 AM PST by sphinx
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8. Continue to promote "Big Tent" LGBT diversity by a steady stream of homosexual clergy and homosexual acceptance.

Note: John Wesley just rolled over in his grave
22 posted on 02/27/2018 10:29:59 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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All this was needed thirty years ago. Most of the people who remain in the UMC presently are either CINOs, Democrat ignoramuses or atheist SJWs.

I left UMC after five generations of family more than twenty years ago, somewhat bitter that I had stayed so long. There are! Bible-believing, well organized denominations outside the UMC.

Ever since Methodism abandoned its classical Anglican/Wesleyan basis with the UMC merger in the 1960s, it has gone straight downhill theologically.

I got scolded by a UMC pastor in 2002 for wanting to have a one-minute prayer for the persecuted Christians on a National Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church. Why? Because I learned about it from Focus on the Family, and the pastor still hadn’t come out of the closet.

I got scolded by a UMC pastor in 2001 for planning to pray for the gospel to be heard and understood by all people around the world at our church’s prayer service the day after the 9/11 tragedy, because “it might offend visitors who are not Christian.”

I got scolded by a UMC pastor in 1995 for wanting to take my Sunday School elementary-age children to the wedding of their Sunday School teacher, because “it might offend gays and lesbians.”

I am so done.


23 posted on 02/27/2018 10:45:57 AM PST by Albion Wilde (WeÂ’re even doing the right thing for them. They just donÂ’t know it yet. --Donald J. Trump)
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Jesus would be a good idea for turning around their demise. It will take some searching and repenting to find Him again after rejecting Him so thoroughly for the sake of global Marxism.


25 posted on 02/27/2018 11:26:11 AM PST by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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