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Peterson speaks the truth and tries to maintain the truth while others hear only what they want to hear.
Is Peterson an ally against the SJW mafia? I say “Yes”. Without a doubt.
Peterson comes at it from an academic debate perspective that allows him to discuss it with nonbelievers in terms of ideas.
If he came from a belief perspective he would not be an academic, he would be an evangelist.
Hey! Our own Jim Robinson is mentioned in there
I would say the Peterson is at least versed in the bible and as lease as much of a believer as the pope.
Kidding aside, you make some assertions as to Peterson beliefs but don’t provide any evidence of said beliefs.
Thank you Bill Randles. Keep up the good work.
I heard him a couple of weeks ago on Brian Kilmeade’s radio show and once he said he studies Jung and Nietzsche I knew he was not a Christian.
I’ve been listening to the bible a LOT on my three hour commute for the last three years and two months. I’m no longer a bible “worshiper”. I see it for what it is.
Regarding the NT, it is four accounts of the life, times and teachings of Jesus the Christ. It is one history book (Acts) that teaches us how the message filled the known world and was preached by his Apostles. It is quite a few letters to specific people and churches as well as “the church” in general. And there is a detailed dream/vision (The Revelation of John).
The bible is huge on teaching and wisdom. It is history, but it is also allegory, dreams, parables, etc. And it is not “the” word of God. Rather, it CONTAINS the word of God throughout.
So I believe the message of Christ. I believe he and his apostles really existed and wrote the things they wrote. But the key is not the bible. The key is Prayer and a personal relationship with Him. The bible merely enhances and solidifies.
If Jordan disagrees with me on some of that, that’s fine. I disagree with most churches on some things, and a few of them pretty major (I believe Mary had sex after Jesus was born. A lot of Christians don’t).
Jordan’s teaching that I’ve heard is rock solid and irrefutable. And it’s not just what he teaches. It is the foundational values and facts on which his teaching rests. But I’ve not been exposed to his entire body of work.
What I believe this viewpoint totally misses is that there actually is TRUTH behind the accounts in Scripture and that the demonic forces opposed to this truth have been at work counterfeiting that truth (before and after) so that it causes doubt among those who would seek to know it. Those who deny the resurrection, for example, don't or won't consider that the disciples of Jesus Christ chose to die horrible deaths rather than deny what they had seen with their own eyes. Now, I know some people will die for a lie (i.e., Islamists), but NO ONE dies for something they know is a lie.
God promised that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, that He WILL be found when we search for Him with all our hearts. The light of the truth dawns on all those who sincerely want to know it - I can testify that it happened in my own life.
Is arguing over this man, the most productive use of your time?
Yes. Good, insightful post. You quote Paul, as he is mentoring Timothy regarding the leadership, polity, and deportment of the church at Ephesus, noting that eventually the main person of influence was sliding into apostasy (Rev. 2:4) even though Timothy had been one of the Pauline mentors of its elders.
Paul's first canonical epistle to Timothy is all about godliness--that is, deportment--of the church and of its constituents. Godliness is the manifestation of a mystery unperceived in pre-Christian times, but now revealed at the time God opened the gates of access to Him through the Blood of Christ (1 Tim. 3:16).
The two prominent facets of godliness are manifested in orthodoxy (conforming to established doctrine), and piety (devoutness).
In chapter 4, Paul sums up for Timothy all that he has taught him, and it is from this that we can begin to categorize both aspects, as Timothy would have indoctrinated the Ephesian church.
What has happened to us today is a slide bit by bit from the orthodoxy of the first churches (Acts 2:42) and piety (Acts 2:43), first into unorthodox Romanism and Byzantine practices that became a redefined orthodoxy, that of the statist church, the religious organ of the emperor/king; and subsequently through the ages until now, until we have experienced such a plethora of unorthodoxy that it has become standard, and the Way of The Cross has been lost.
What you describe of Jordan Peterson is just another outbreak of irregularity that would not have been tolerated for centuries, but in the last fifty years now is. But applying Paul's counsel to Timothy in this instance, with the rule--the measuring stick--being the Bible alone and the behavior of the apostles and churches described in it (Php. 3:16-19), we see that one should not be yoked with this philosophizer who cannot be exercising spiritual discernment, and to walk away from his kind of thinking, for it is contaminating whatever it touches and influences (2 Cor. 6:14-7:1). Touch not the unclean thing(s): Gods, idols, archetypes, atavars, movie stars, Allahs-who-have-no-sons, Andrew Carnegies, etc. They are illusions that produce delusions. But they are sly edgewise approachers, apparently like this Jordan Peterson.
This is a time of soul-warning, Pastor, that goes beyond soul-winning; and thank you for sounding the klaxon on this!
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come" (2Ti_3:1 AV).
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; . . . " (1 Tim 4:1-2 AV)
". . . Having a form of godliness(orthodoxy and piety), but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away" (2Ti 3:5 AV).
Preach/post it, Brother! Amen! (Especially about the unorthodoxy that has become the current standard in the present concept of "orthodoxy" throughout Christendom.)
Last summer I watched a video someone recommended of a seminar or speech he gave, and he talked quite a lot about the Bible. I don’t remember what he said about his own beliefs, but definitely what he said about the Bible wasn’t Christian. Come to think of it, too, it was probably Jungian, like the Bible as some “useful myth.”
Never heard of Jordan Peterson before, but your insights about Jung and trends in the church and society are informative, as always.
The Bee Explains: Who Is Jordan Peterson?
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