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[Catholic Caucus] Time to Let Go of Vatican II
One Peter Five ^ | February 5, 2018 | Brian Williams

Posted on 02/05/2018 12:20:23 PM PST by ebb tide

Several months back Father Hugh Somerville-Knapman, OSB wrote a must read article over at his blog, Dominus mihi adjutor. For those not familiar with Fr. Hugh, a Benedictine monk and priest of Douai Abbey in Berkshire, U.K., he is no liturgical bomb thrower. His arguments are always well reasoned and thoughtful, which is why it’s worth revisiting.

“Vale Vatican II: Moving On” verbalizes what a growing number of the faithful are finally coming to grips with. In the words of Fr. Hugh: “it is time now to let go of the Council.” While I encourage everyone to read the full article, there are several points worth highlighting here.

Fr. Hugh begins by making the (obvious) acknowledgement that the world has changed greatly since the 1960’s. This would hardly matter if the Council  had sought to clarify doctrine and timeless truths, but it is relevant for a Council claiming to be pastoral in its scope and very purpose. As Father writes:

It described itself as a pastoral council, and it sought to repackage the teaching, life and worship of the Church to suit a world in flux. For this very reason the Council was necessarily going to have a best-before date. That date has been passed. The sad thing is that its milk turned sour very soon after packaging.

Fr. Hugh rightly notes that “Catholic vitality has plummeted” in the post-conciliar years, at least when measured by weekly Mass attendance and vocations. There is no need to restate the dire data here. If one still disputes this they cannot be taken seriously and should step away from the grown up table; these discussions aren’t for you.

Father continues with an assessment of the ecclesial landscape of the last five decades:

By any reasonable standard of judgment the application of the Council failed, miserably, to achieve the Council’s aims. This statistical revelation of decline is quite apart from the decline experienced by Catholics as they have seen dogmas, doctrines, morals and many other elements of Catholic life thrown into chaos in the wake of the Council.

Acknowledging that the Church is indeed growing in much of the developing world (think Africa and Asia), Fr. Hugh notes that its growth in the west is only occurring in certain places:

But here’s the rub: it is growing precisely where much of what was discarded by the post-conciliaristas is slowly and sensibly being reclaimed and integrated into the world of 2017 rather than the mid-1960s. What they are reclaiming is essential, timeless Catholicism rather than the tired mantras and shibboleths of the “Vatican II Church”. The young have discovered, and many of the older re-discovered, that there was a Church before Vatican II, and it was healthy, vital and beautiful.

Fr. Hugh then states his simple, clear, and polemic free conclusion: it’s time to move on from the Council and (instead) to reclaim what the Church always was:

Thus it makes no sense to be constantly referencing every contemporary initiative to Vatican II, for justification or acceptance-value. It is time to move from a post-conciliar Church to a post-post-conciliar Church; which is to say, it is time to reclaim the Church as She has always been in her essence and her stable form, which has been able to function viably and vitally in every age and circumstance since the time of Christ.

A growing number of the faithful have indeed moved on from post-conciliarism. Among many Catholics, particularly the young, the sentiment and conclusions of Fr. Hugh are being realized. Our point of reference and foundation is the Church’s history and tradition, not simply the most recent Council in the history of the Church.

Sadly, it would seem few bishops have connected the dots yet. May thoughtful articles by thoughtful men, such as Fr. Hugh Somerville-Knapman, help them to finally move on (and move forward) as the Church reclaims “essential, timeless Catholicism.” For the sake of the salvation of souls, pray that it happens soon.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: doctrine; morals; vcii

1 posted on 02/05/2018 12:20:23 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Fr. Hugh rightly notes that “Catholic vitality has plummeted” in the post-conciliar years, at least when measured by weekly Mass attendance and vocations. There is no need to restate the dire data here. If one still disputes this they cannot be taken seriously and should step away from the grown up table; these discussions aren’t for you.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. -- Matthew 7:15-20

2 posted on 02/05/2018 12:35:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I once heard someone on the radio; I think it was either George Noory or Art Bell, who said that Vatican II screwed up the Catholic Church like you would not believe.


3 posted on 02/05/2018 12:50:13 PM PST by Jean2
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To: Alberta's Child

SPOT ON. Case closed.


4 posted on 02/05/2018 1:28:56 PM PST by RitaOK (n)
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To: Jean2

I am not a trady supporter but VC II made too many mistakes.


5 posted on 02/05/2018 1:37:41 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5W)
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To: ebb tide
The real problem with Vatican II was when the libs came back and began to implement their own brand of religion and they called their unauthorized changes "the spirit of Vatican II."

On the contrary, JPII had a hand in writing Humanae Vitae, and he assisted in the writing of the documents much to the dismay of the leftists, which is why the leftists had to make up some stuff to their own liking when they got back from the council, figuring that they could fool us rubes.

I was in catechism classes during those days after the council when they threw out the Baltimore Catechism and we then had nothing. As an 11th grader, I was told to go home and cut out pictures from magazines which show "joy" and "love" etc., so that we could come together as a class and paste them on a board and stand back reveling in our beautiful and 'heartfelt' accomplishment.

This at a time when I was ready for some deep discussions on virtue and holiness.

Thank God for JPII for masterminding the Catholic Catechism and for all he did. Thank God.

6 posted on 02/05/2018 1:48:23 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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7 posted on 02/05/2018 2:35:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (He kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!" - Acts 2:40)
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